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Dear Oran Denton;
On page two of this thread is a comment by Bob Pritchett Dated: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:14 PM
And starting ””Arrgghhh! I hate this topic. :-)””
[[http://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265]]
After reading that and the EULA please post your suggested wording of a better one ((EULA))
Worded so that a Husband and Wife who are not both Pastors [each with their own church [and pulpit]] and whose children [not yet having finished High School (year 12)] maybe studying Bible studies but are not writing them for any organization what so ever can all use one and the same Portfolio edition. [with one license] But where the family where Dad is the Pastor, Mom writes the Bible Studies and child does the sermons every third week will require three license and all at the max level.
$4,000 and the wife cannot even use the read the Bible in a Year plan does not make sense when no one in the family is doing research for other then family use (no sermons [well maybe one every two years when the pastor and the head elder are both sick], not writing Bible studies, and yes, sometimes sharing what they found with friends) Logos is not trying to stop that – they are trying to stop the full school or church using one copy
The EULA has to be written tight and enforced loosely. [but if you get too loose the courts rule that you did not protect your product and you lose it]
We have not been smart enough to figure it out! [And Logos only starts to be fun when you reach the $4K level (per license)] <<Welcom to Logos>>
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Hi David,
In the multiplication of words is much trouble (from somewhere in Proverbs), and I all too often use too many words. I once had 8000 books in my personal library and after grad school I faced moving the entire collection back across the country. I spent months picking out my favorites and worked the total down to 1800. It is much easier to pack my Mac and go!
I'm sure God knows the reason that I am not the lawyer in the family. Concerning the EULA, I defer to those whose job it is to serve the Lord with their whole hearts at Logos. I doubt that they do much of anything without prayerful consideration. I send my apologies to those who felt a greater burden fulfilling their daily tasks because of any frustration I failed to pray about first.
And to those persons who use the software in ways that rob Logos of their rightful provision (and I doubt they spend time reading Logos forums); it is God who builds us up in the knowledge of His Son, and I doubt He would use pirated software to do so.
It's nice to be part of the greater Logos community. Have a great week!
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Pro 10:19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
Pro 15:1 A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
""And to those persons who use the software in ways that rob Logos of their rightful provision"" We have no way of stoping them so we just ask for God to bless them.
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Bob,
just want to thank you for your gracious and spirit-filled response. Many blessings to you and the company.
I am in the process of deciding which package to buy, but am waiting on academic pricing - I have just started theological study
regards,
Chris Rees (UK)
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Bob and the rest at Logos,
First I am very grateful for this software and the new EULA which allows me to put it on my desktop and laptop, and Android phone! I think this Bible software is leaps ahead of others. My dad got me a copy of Logos and it has really helped in ministry.
My wife and I are both Bible translators in East Africa and work with different languages here so we are plainly two users. I can't dispute that. We are also poor so buying Logos twice is not an option. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. I can't get over buying resources twice. If my wife and I buy a physical book then it's in "our" library and not "my" library. If we need a digital resource, we both have Kindles on one Amazon account (which to my understanding is allowed). Although I understand why logos is doing licensing this way (for notes, reading plans, etc.), I will continue to buy paper books and/or kindle books so that they can be used in my household. I will hesitate to buy resources in Logos unless I'm sure my wife wouldn't also find it useful and since we are in the same ministry that's probably not gonna happen.
Maybe Amazon is really on to a good thing in that each account is tied to a payment method (which is the case for Logos too). I definitely wouldn't give out my Logos username and password because I don't want to give away the ability for someone to use my credit card even if it adds to my own library. This fact would even make me hesitant to share it with my kids (although I don't have any yet), but not with my wife. This wouldn't solve the problem of notes or reading plans and I'm not sure how this theory could solve that.
Thanks for the flexibility that currently exists and being so open with all of us who are asking. Of course I want to obey the spirit of Bob's explanation and the EULA so Logos won't be installed on my wife's laptop. I hope this doesn't seem critical either. I am writing because I would prefer to buy resources from Logos before Amazon or even paper books, but not being able to share with my wife keeps me from doing that. Thanks again.
Blessings,
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I like Logos. I bought many resources. I use it.
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I agree, our wives should be free to create and save their own notes. I'm sorry I didn't see your posting sooner. We went to Camp Logos in Bellingham for #1 and then recently bought the CDs for #2. It was great being at Camp 1 with my Mrs. We both got to focus on the same thing for a couple of days, and then we went home to work on setting up our Libraries, Collections and so on. It sure makes Bible study time at home a pleasure. My wife took a youth group to Ireland in 2006, but I've never traveled out of the country. She would like to go back, and then she could be my tour guide. I hope you make it. Blessings!
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I know the post I am responding to was written a long time ago but for those reading it in the now, like I am, I wanted to offer a potentially helpful response. I don't believe any part of Scripture teaches us to "share all of our Earthly possessions with our wives" so if we make a vow before God to do that we may be committing to something we can't live up to. Try, for example, sharing your driver's license or your professional license (such as license to practice medicine) with your wife and see how quickly you end up heavily fined and possibly going to prison. Just saying.
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Jeff Hetrick said:
I know the post I am responding to was written a long time ago but for those reading it in the now, like I am, I wanted to offer a potentially helpful response.
Thanks for weighing in. I don't know if you read this other thread but it pretty much covered a lot of ideas:
Suggestion:Allowing husband and wives to share one Logos 4 license
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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If I desired to purchase an additional license of my library for my pastor, is that possible? How much does it cost if it is possible?
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Blair Laird said:
If I desired to purchase an additional license of my library for my pastor, is that possible? How much does it cost if it is possible?
No. Even if your wife is your pastor. That is where the "married folk sharing one license" ends. Two vocations requires two licenses.
You can purchase a license for your pastor but he must also have a separate license to each of his resources. Logos gets it's bread & butter from resource sales. If we could all share one library there would be no money to pay for further development. Of course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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It'd be free, if he downloads Logos4, soon to be Logos5. Of course he'll likely want to read or study, in which case he'd want to buy some books for himself. Or you could transfer your library to him for $20. In which case you wouldn't have a library. But his sermons would probably be really good?
EDIT: I completely missed Super Trooper's 'the pastor being ones wife' (or husband I guess). In that case you could make them pay the $20 for the transfer to them. (I just can't imagine Matthew being a 'tramp'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Super Tramp said:
No. Even if your wife is your pastor. That is where the "married folk sharing one license" ends. Two vocations requires two licenses.
You can purchase a license for your pastor but he must also have a separate license to each of his resources. Logos gets it's bread & butter from resource sales. If we could all share one library there would be no money to pay for further development. Of course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
Is there a price difference between purchasing a license for each resource, rather then buying a new base package for him?
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Blair Laird said:
f course this could all change if Logos were available by subscription.
Not sure if I fully like that idea. I have invested a-lot of money in logos, and I realize I own those resources, but if all of logos' resources became available by subscription, I would probably take that route. But what about all the money I have invested so far? It would seem to have been wasted. I like the idea of having my own library, not renting. It's like having a house, you can buy it or rent it. better option is to buy. Maybe a lease option would be better
That does not seem like the best idea either, because you don't own any of the resources until its all paid off. Which means if logos keeps pumping out books the way it does, it will never be paid off. If I have only invested a few thousand, subscription is a good idea. When you have invested more, at least from my perspective it does not seem so good.0 -
Blair Laird said:
If I desired to purchase an additional license of my library for my pastor, is that possible? How much does it cost if it is possible?
Suggest contacting Logos Sales => http://www.logos.com/contact about gift certificate(s) and cost(s).
By purchasing gift certificates for my wife, we share one monthly payment that includes two Logos 5 upgrades.
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Blair Laird said:
Is there a price difference between purchasing a license for each resource, rather then buying a new base package for him?
Buying in bulk always gets the cheapest rate. In other words. Buying a base package is always cheaper than buying each title it contains at the individual price. The only question is, does your Pastor actually want all the resources that are included in the base package. There is a break even point where it may be cheaper to go with or against buying the base package. I always go with the bundled deal because I typically under-rate some included resources and later find some intrinsic value to them.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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OK - that's "old news" from the last decade :-) Anyway - thanks a lot!!
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Bob,
Thanks for this clarification. However, I have a further issue that I'd like help with. Since I have been a Logos user since 2.0 I have an extremely large library. However, my wife has a tablet and only wants to be able to study the Bible and hear the Bible read aloud. If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily). So I set her up with an account that only has a few books on it under her gmail account. I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how? What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible? Also, is there any chance that the Lexham Audio Bible will be completed for the Old Testament? That would be a big help.
Blessings,
Ron
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Hi Ron
You are replying to something which Bob posted in 2009 - I don't know if he will set it here.
Some thoughts based on my understanding of how this works
Ron W said:I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how?
I don't believe that is possible
Ron W said:What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible?
No - you can (via a sales rep) buy a book for her account but it won't then be associated with yours.
Ron W said:If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily).
Why not tag the resources in your account that your wife wants to be able to access. Then on the tablet use a filter in the library so that only those books are presented to her. You could then change books as required simply by modifying the tagging.
So - for example - if you tagged resources as "ForMyWife" you could use the filter "mytag:ForMyWife in the library panel in the tablet app
Does this give you what you need?
Graham
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Ron W said:
Bob,
Thanks for this clarification. However, I have a further issue that I'd like help with. Since I have been a Logos user since 2.0 I have an extremely large library. However, my wife has a tablet and only wants to be able to study the Bible and hear the Bible read aloud. If I allow her to use my account, it is just too overwhelming (she has visual problems and can't see small things easily). So I set her up with an account that only has a few books on it under her gmail account. I'd like to be able to transfer a couple of books from my library to hers without sharing the whole library (E.G. ESV Audio Bible or a Strong's concordance). Can I do that? If so how? What about if I want to buy a book for her on my account and have it sent to her account--is that possible? Also, is there any chance that the Lexham Audio Bible will be completed for the Old Testament? That would be a big help.
Blessings,
Ron
Ron, you are responding to a post from Bob that was 5 1/2 years old, and a thread that has not been touched since a year and a half ago. Also your question is pretty specific and new/different from some of the subject matter in this thread. It would be better to start a new thread.
Are you still using Libronix (Logos 3)? It's a very old version of Logos. The current version is Logos 6. If you posted to this forum only because you happened upon it in researching licensing questions, I can understand that, but again it's best to start a new thread in one of the currently active forums that people are still reading regularly (Logos 5, Logos 6, or General for such a question as this) rather than piggy-backing off a very old one in an obsolete forum.
Anyway, you cannot transfer books between accounts in Logos, or lend books to other account holders. As for your question about Lexham Audio Bible, that's a completely different subject altogether and I wouldn't know. Someone from inside Logos/Faithlife would have to answer it, and they might not be willing to disclose that information very far in advance of it being released if they are at work on it.
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Graham,
The message I sent was due to searching the forum--I didn't notice the date. I found the ESV Audio Bible for free & am downloading it to her tablet. I have not worked with tagging so that is unfamiliar territory. I'll have to look at it further as an option. Thanks for the suggestion.
Ron
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G.G. Wyncoop said:
I have not worked with tagging so that is unfamiliar territory.
For background on tagging please see https://wiki.logos.com/Tagging
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Other options (if you want to use the same account) are to place the books she uses on the toolbar for her to access easily and/or create a layout for her to use.
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Scott.
Ron's wife is using a tablet so those options aren't available to her
Graham
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Graham Criddle said:
Scott.
Ron's wife is using a tablet so those options aren't available to her
Graham
Ah, missed that part – thanks Graham [:$]
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A Church member at the Church I attend was planning on purchasing Logos 6 with another church member. But I think the other member decided to go solo on it. First thing I thought was "mmm I don't think they can do that". I was going to say something but then found out one of them didn't want to share "I don't blame him". I have also heard from other's at my Church that they know pastors who have purchased it and given out the license to every member at there church who wants it. I find that amazing that anyone who calls him or her self a Christian would do something like that.
Then I have heard others claim that they were told by Logos reps that they can share it with there church members but I know that is not true. This is from the Spanish speaking ministry so I am not sure if maybe the Spanish speaking reps are telling pastors they can share their accounts.
My pastor was also attending a Bible Institute and only took one course of Hebrew and decided to not continue after he finished the semester. Yet two weeks after finishing the semester and knowing he would not be returning he went ahead and asked for the Academic discount. I thought that was shady too and he had to of known in his conscious that is not right.
When I contacted Logos about getting the academic discount I was required to fill out the academic form. Yet Spanish reps told them "no its okay ill give you the discount" with out requiring them to prove that they are attending seminary. In other words with the Spanish speaking reps anyone can call and just claim they are attending bible school and they will give 30 percent away just like that. That is profit being taken away from Logos which can then be used to improve our program for the rest of us who are being honest.
I just thought I give my input on what I see around me and hear from people. I really wish Logos would do something about this because it would only be fair for the rest of us.
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Welcome to the forums Diego Lara
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Hello Bob,
I'm please to see that you now see a husband and wife as one user as when Logos started. However, the feature set has moved to the Internet more with just about each release. This has made it very difficult for a husband and wife to use the same software when linking all the Note Books, Layouts, etc. to both a husband's and wife's personal computers. We have spent many thousands of dollars on this library and it does not seem that a husband and wife should be expected to purchase dual libraries. We have over a thousand books at home and we would be thought to be crazy to purchase copies for each of us. When I first started using Logos it was at Dallas Theological Seminary. After your family purchased it we were assured that we would not need separate licenses for each of us (as a married couple).
Last time I emailed you, I was told my wife would need her own account, which has made it even harder for her to use her account for Bible study while trying to use the books on my account. We both have more than one computer and we want keep them in sync while being able to start using many of the new features in Logos.
Now we're having a hard time learning how to stay legal and still both of us use the books we've purchased. I've also now been informed that we really don't own the books - is that true? We're very deeply invested in this software (now both retired) and can't continue with the high costs of having to maintain the two different licenses that we now have. We're wanting to merge our accounts and just use one again. I wish we could convince you to not leave the married couples behind and honor the agreement when this company started. It's just not fair to my wife who has gone along with the thousands we've invested and now can't use her account to access my account. There should be a way to make this an easier option for couples.
I love how this software has enriched our study of God's Word and helped us know our Lord and Savior more. With all the changes, we need help knowing what features to use and how to set them up so we both can use just one account. If it helps make it legal, we could keep her account open and both use mine. Now that we're both retired, we want to spend a lot more time learning all the great features in Logos so we can enjoy our studies even more. I praise God for any and all the help you can direct our way.
Your Brother in Christ,
Daniel Harper
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Hi Daniel
Its worth knowing that this is a reply to an old thread on a disused forum and so there is no guarantee that Bob or anyone else from Faithlife will see it.
From the previous post where you raised this issue - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/97520.aspx?PageIndex=1 - it seems that you and your wife wanted to share the same resources but to keep your notes separate. I expect it was due to the latter constraint that you were advised to have separate accounts. Is this still the issue that you are trying to overcome?
If so, you could partially address this by ensuring that you and your wife created notes and highlights in named Notebooks and that each of you ensured that you only had those Notebooks enabled in the resources you were reading. All notes would appear in the Notes Tool but only “your” notes would show in resources.
But things like book position, layout definitions, library tagging would be synced between all your installations.
If the above doesn’t help please provide more details regarding what you are trying to achieve.
And if, at the end of this, the right approach is to merge the two accounts that isn’t something we can help with on these forums. It is something that would need to be done by Faithlife customer services and you would need to contact them directly.
Graham
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Daniel Harper said:
We have spent many thousands of dollars on this library and it does not seem that a husband and wife should be expected to purchase dual libraries.
Yes, This is a long ago thread but the issue is still valid. The publishers 'force' Faithlife to change a price close to what the publisher change a library to pay for a dead tree version of the resource. That library with its 500 to 1000 or more members only pays small dollars per user. While we pay almost full price for just one user.
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Thanks for your reply.
I have been willing to pay the extra given all the added work that goes into Logos books. My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
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Graham, thanks for your reply.
You replied - "it seems that you and your wife wanted to share the same resources but to keep your notes separate. I expect it was due to the latter constraint that you were advised to have separate accounts. Is this still the issue that you are trying to overcome?
If so, you could partially address this by ensuring that you and your wife created notes and highlights in named Notebooks and that each of you ensured that you only had those Notebooks enabled in the resources you were reading. All notes would appear in the Notes Tool but only “your” notes would show in resources.
But things like book position, layout definitions, library tagging would be synced between all your installations."
You're correct - How would my wife create a Notebook in my account (copy of Logos) and use it in her account (copy of Logos)?
Thanks again,
Dan
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Daniel Harper said:
How would my wife create a Notebook in my account (copy of Logos) and use it in her account (copy of Logos)?
Faithlife supports sharing documents => https://documents.logos.com that includes Notebooks => https://faithlife.com/posts/1567200 so an idea for sharing is using a Faithlife group (could be personal family, Bible Study, Church, ...)
Faithlife Corporation revised/consolidated licensing terms on 15 Mar 2019 => https://faithlife.com/terms that includes Logos Bible Software (LBS)
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5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses.
LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.
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Hi Daniel
Daniel Harper said:I have been willing to pay the extra given all the added work that goes into Logos books. My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
I'm unsure why you and your wife are currently using separate accounts and not a combined one.
Are you able to outline that please?
That might help us to advise you better.
Graham
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Hi Graham,
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
3. At the time, I don't believe they had Notebooks or we didn't know about them (earlier this year). Maybe some of the new features would let us pull off using one account (as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
4. We tried going through some training and the software kept changing what the software was doing base on what each of us tried to do in following the training. Decided that may be another reason for two accounts or we could not go through the training together.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Thank you for your help,
Dan
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Hi Graham,
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
3. At the time, I don't believe they had Notebooks or we didn't know about them (earlier this year). Maybe some of the new features would let us pull off using one account (as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
4. We tried going through some training and the software kept changing what the software was doing base on what each of us tried to do in following the training. Decided that may be another reason for two accounts or we could not go through the training together.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Thank you for your help,
Dan
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Daniel Harper said:
1. We were told that it was not legal for my wife to use my account.
Was this due to your wife and yourself both being in active ministries?
-dan
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Daniel Harper said:
(as I stated in my post, I'm glad Logos can now be legal for both of us to use one account).
Apologies since am not understanding "now be legal" for husband and wife, who are two human users.
Observation: on 11 Jun 2019 => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/1052699.aspx#1052699, you replied to Bob Pritchett's post from 16 Jul 2009 => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265 (nearly ten years ago that included a scenario for husband and wife being one who share one email address, one phone, ... so were one "user" while not having different ministry support teams). Three months ago, Faithlife corporation revised their licensing terms that included Logos Bible Software (LBS) => https://faithlife.com/terms so Bob's gracious guide has been super-ceded to specify "Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only ..."
As an outside volunteer, can only guess (speculate) about internal discussions and situation changes (including customer service representative layoffs & hires) that were followed by terms publication => https://faithlife.com/terms with last update of 15 Mar 2019 (as this reply is written on 13 Jun 2019).
FYI: am aware of one missionary couple many years ago that fit Bob's guide for "one" user who shared one Logos installation on one laptop (predating document sharing).
Thankful for a Faithlife change that predated terms is Basic base packages being free that enables practical Bible Study (started with Logos 7 free release in Feb 2017). Recently Faithlife had a weekend free bundle for home schooling families (so every family member could have their own individual library). Recommend Home schooling families follow a Faithlife group for interaction and future free announcements => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity
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Graham Criddle said:
My main issue is that my wife can't have equal access to our books. She could open my account and copy all the information she want to add to her Note Book, however she'll not have the links and perhaps other information the would normally be attached to the information.
Resources are licensed to an account - a single account. You must purchase a license/resource for each account to have equal access as the resources are not "our" but "his" or "hers".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Daniel Harper said:
2. We were told she would have to get her own account anyway if she wanted to have her own notes in Bibles and other books.
5. Was told that Logos is designed for one user and not for multiple.
Yes, Logos was designed and has licenced resources from publishers that only one person would use the program and all of the resources bought under that username [account]
They do allow husband and wife to use one licence [to some extent they just look the other way] IF only one or neither is using Logos to prepare sermons or writing Bible Studies.
That means that they are seen as one person: Only one active user at any giving time. All notes and documents in common.
And we are saying the same things that we said back in 2014 when you asked the same basic question https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/1052699.aspx#1052699
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Thanks for your question.
No, neither of us are. I teach now and then at church, but never have accepted any money. We're what some call "lay".
Regards,
Dan
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Thanks for the reply,
Your post is in that if I understand it correctly, you're saying that it is still illegal for a married couple to share one account (we're both what is called "lay").
I call tech support and one person told me the Logos has a policy of husband and wife being consider as one user. I call tech support again for more information on how to merge accounts and setup the resulting single account so we would be able to use it.
Very misleading and not the policy this company communicated when they purchased this program.
Thanks again,
Dan
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MJ,
Thanks for sharing. However, when we started using Logos, the company communicated that a married couple was seen as "one user" (just as God says that we are "one flesh"). The only way we found that there was a change in this policy by taking a Logos training class. We were not able to take the class on two computers as the notes and home pages kept changing based on what the last one of us to finish the exercise had done. This also kept us from completing some of the exercises because one of us always lost what we started in the last exercise.
We purchased these books as "us, one user". After hearing a reply like this, I wish we could get our money back and go on with Wordsearch. I can't understand how a company can change the policy of what one use means and not give the husband and wife a way out. I was encouraged by what Bob had posted (we would be seen as one user) and now you are telling me that's not so.
Confused,
Dan
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Daniel Harper said:
the company communicated that a married couple was seen as "one user"
I have been a user since the first edition that handled the Catholic canon ... we won't mention how long ago that was. Seems like a different century. In all that time my understanding was that a married couple in which at least one of them was not in a professional position and minors, were allowed to skirt the one person per account rule with two (or more) people using a single account -- one officially, the others unofficially. Prior to your post, I've not seen anyone believing that a single license applied across multiple accounts, although I have seen numerous requests asking if it was possible. Unfortunately, I have no way of backtracking to see how you came to your understanding of the rules. As the forums are users helping users, your only recourse is to Customer Service or to Bob.
Daniel Harper said:The only way we found that there was a change in this policy by taking a Logos training class. We were not able to take the class on two computers as the notes and home pages kept changing based on what the last one of us to finish the exercise had done.
To the best of my knowledge, this is how it has always worked - the contents and last status is tied to an account and syncs across all devices on which that account is loaded.
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Hi David,
Thanks for replying. Back in 2014 is when we were told my wife should purchase her own account. We could not afford it until Logos was offered for free (earlier this year - I think) and she also purchased the Started package. My wife has been having several issues which frustrate her with the software (mainly not being able to use the books that we purchased together with our money).
I started looking into it again, because of the new Notebooks and Local settings. That's when I was pointed to Bob's post by a tech support person. She told me that Logos has a policy that now sees married couples as one user. When I read Bob's post, I was very encourage. However, when I called back into tech support and asked for information on how to set up Logos so my wife and I could both use one account, he replied that we were not seen as one user and pointed me to the license agreement. I believe that God's Word teaches that what we as a couple purchase is first God's and next shared as One in our marriage. Logos communicated that same few when we continued with Logos after they purchase the program from Dallas Theological Seminary. We feel betrayed by what we found out in 2014, however encouraged by what Bob's post said. I highly respect Bob, his brother and the many employees that have made this software such a blessing.
We used to get hard copies of the software (discs, CD's and DVD's). When I call in, my purchases are still communicated as resources that I own. So I always thought they were ours, but in 2014 I was told by a couple of people from the forum that we didn't own any resources. I trust that will not become an issue if we want to pass on the software/resources to one of our children (will it be able to be transferred in our will)?
Just like in 2014 we are trying to find a way to honor God by doing what is pleasing to Him. If the company allows we both to us one account, Great! However, that is not the common message we're getting.
Thanks again,
Dan
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MJ. Smith said:
As the forums are users helping users, your only recourse is to Customer Service or to Bob.
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MJ. Smith said:Daniel Harper said:The only way we found that there was a change in this policy by taking a Logos training class. We were not able to take the class on two computers as the notes and home pages kept changing based on what the last one of us to finish the exercise had done.
To the best of my knowledge, this is how it has always worked - the contents and last status is tied to an account and syncs across all devices on which that account is loaded.
Clunky work around for training class would have been to change program settings on one computer to not sync, but would have to deal with sync surprises later when wanted to update library. [:O] Long time ago learned not to have Library Prioritize open in my personal Logos library on two computers at the same time while trying to modify prioritization due to sync causing surprising reordering. [:$]
Daniel Harper said:We used to get hard copies of the software (discs, CD's and DVD's). When I call in, my purchases are still communicated as resources that I own. So I always thought they were ours, but in 2014 I was told by a couple of people from the forum that we didn't own any resources. I trust that will not become an issue if we want to pass on the software/resources to one of our children (will it be able to be transferred in our will)?
Thread => Bequeathing a Logos library expresses Thanks to Faithlife for a friendly library transfer, which included hundreds of resources that were purchased on CD's & DVD's followed by uploading their licenses to Libronix servers (e.g. 1984 NIV Bible that can no longer be purchased, only transferred). Years ago, Libronix 3 resources could be purchased on CD/DVD followed by installing them and uploading license(s) to the associated account. Today, an unused Libronix CD/DVD serial number can be associated (unlocked) with a Faithlife account => https://www.logos.com/redeem (since all Libronix and Logos releases prior to 7.18 cannot connect to Faithlife servers)
Daniel Harper said:My wife has been having several issues which frustrate her with the software (mainly not being able to use the books that we purchased together with our money).
Do both of you often use the same books ? If not, one option is transferring resource(s) from one library to another. Faithlife nominally charges $ 20 per transfer, regardless of how many resources are being transferred. Hence, an idea is making a list of "frustrating" resources so can decide which library is appropriate for them.
Faithlife has designed Logos (and Verbum) to be used by One Human user. Challenging for two humans to intimately share a Logos library (e.g. priorities, reading progress, home page, history, documents, named layouts, ...), especially on more than one device. Personally have two Faithlife accounts for my use: one account has my purchased licenses while the other account has an order total of $ 0.00 that is usable for many Bible Study tasks (plus can demonstrate what Faithlife freely enables).
FYI: this License Agreement thread began with license snippet from 14 Jul 2009 (single user license ~10 years ago)
Rob said:This is a copy of the current license that is displayed in our software.
The short version is this: "The license goes with the user. Every user must purchase their own package. If you have a work machine and a laptop and they are both yours for your personal use, you may load it on both for your personal use - because the license goes with the user." Can you purchase one package and have two people use it? No. The license goes with the user. The license is a single user license.
All licenses are single human being licenses. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, library licenses or multi-user licenses. A church or company may be the purchaser and thus legal owner of the license grant, but may only allow one human being to be the beneficiary of this license grant.
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David Ames said:
They do allow husband and wife to use one licence [to some extent they just look the other way] IF only one or neither is using Logos to prepare sermons or writing Bible Studies.
Whoops: Change the above to read that they used to allow husband and wife to use one licence if all they were doing was simple Bible Study.
Apparently they no longer do. My guess is that too many so called "husband and wife" were not just one man and one woman but many of both.
[[Yes, the terms of use have changed but I don't remember seeing a BIG notice of the change.]]
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Thanks MJ,
The suggestion will enable us to get through the training. I like you Keep Smiling.
Regards,
Dan
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David Ames said:
Apparently they no longer do. My guess is that too many so called "husband and wife" were not just one man and one woman but many of both.
[[Yes, the terms of use have changed but I don't remember seeing a BIG notice of the change.]]
I am not sure the terms of use have changed (at least in this regard) - allowing a husband and wife to share an account (as long as the second spouse was not using it professionally) was an allowance that was made by FaithLife's president as a courtesy to users. it was never official policy. If both husband and wife are both ministry professionals, they were expected to have separate accounts. I have seen nothing from FaithLife's leadership suggesting this has changed.
Blessings,
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Thank you for the update.
Dan
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