Logos only lets your transfer book Licenses once???
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I have never been known for applying caution.MJ. Smith said:Be careful Paul
No. Philosophy is an individual's view of the real world. Occasionally a bright philosopher can attract disciples to promote that view. Your original post included a preface.MJ. Smith said:Philosophy IS the real world
(Emphasis Mine) "Without factual evidence" philosophy becomes fantasy.MJ. Smith said:Without factual evidence to the contrary, I suggest the guidelines provided to a high school philosophy class taught by a friend:
In this case we do have evidence. We know the policies that existed in the past. We know the policies that have been implemented/tailored recently, and we know that at present the company is not willing to define what the future policy will be. Very clear evidence. I Think the logical side of your brain would override the philosophical side...in this case. Unless you claim to use both hemispheres simultaneously/continually. [:)]
I recall commenting once that you "Had some Will Rogers in you" Occasionally you let down your guard and apply some Horse sense. This ain't one of those times. [;)]
For the record:
Will Rogers' BS in BS impresses me more than your BA in Philosophy. [:P]
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Paul C said:
I Think the logical side of your brain would override the philosophical side...in this case.
Logic is a subfield of philosophy and mathematics and computer science. The dichotomy is false.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22
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I want to thank Bob for taking the time to write to us here and attempting to explain his "rules" but much more, his heart.
I'm one of the ones that I guess is keeping the small light in the corner on. Other are paying for the larger main lights, but I like to think I'm helping. I'm even dumb enough to think that getting some of the CPs over the line is a ministry to others in that the work is not lost to history, but makes it into the digital world and has some hope of lasting longer. Not sure all those works deserve to be kept, but I like to think some might. Its also why I committed to EEC or ECC or whatever up front, for some $1000 or whatever it cost. Even now over a year later, I have less than 10 books, but I committed to the long term, in the hope it has lasting value in God's Kingdom.
In return, I want Logos to do whatever they can to make sure what I've spent does not go to waste. That's got a few angles: one is to keep the company around, and for that they need to be able to pay the bills and keep the servers running; another aspect is to attempt to find ways to keep my licenses readable if the company ever went away. Not sure how to plan for that one, but its not unlike software escrow, in that the company agrees to hand over the software source code before shutting the company. Not sure how to do that with digital rights.
I guess my part, in not "wasting" what I've spent, I need to read and take to heart what God is wanting to teach me. And just maybe I can sow some of that into the lives of others.
Thank you Bob. Please keep attempting to find ways to look after your customers that are keeping the lights on.
Jim Towler,
Wellington
New Zealand.
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Paul C said:
Which came first ... The chicken or the egg?
Which answer do you want?
- irrelevant in that logic relates to truth values ... but you may counter with my previous reference to abductive and/or defeasible logic
- the egg because eggs exist in species that precede the fowl
- reference to the causality dilemma being related to the circular reference dilemma of which there are far more interesting examples
- reference to the abortion argument to contend that a fertilized egg is a fowl
- reference to Genesis 1 to argue God created fowl not eggs
- insist that you define your terms, the domain of discourse, etc. so that there is a single applicable answer
[:)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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In many cultures, the phrase "I digress" grant's one the last word. Obviously this is not one of those cultures. [:P]
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Willard Scott said:
Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22
Basic linguistics would tell you this is useless as logic or as a well formed English statement ... a pronoun without an antecedent to provide its meaning (see deixsis in wikipedia) is meaningless.
Fallacy detective is going to have to father a litter of puppies to cover this thread. [:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi, I was thinking about the market penetration, and the 1% of recurring customer, 10% of the user paying, etc...
If we imagine that we can buy all we need in a few years, and then we dont have reason to buy more books, because we get stability and good deep wide collection, then...how can Logos survive as a company? There are only two ways, 1)selling more to new customers, 2)selling services to old customers.
In the attempt to secure my investment, I would like to tell Bob, and Logos that if in the nera/distant future, their business as book seller will go down to the point that they must take some tough decisions...I will be interested in paying a recurring fee to pay for the servers, computer, and workers, who can keep up running my logos collection, tagging, and iPad app. IF it ever happens, consider to turn the business in a different direction, instead of closing it.
So we can dream peacefully, in any case.
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When will Your LOGICAL translation of Scripture be available?MJ. Smith said:Willard Scott said:Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22
Basic linguistics would tell you this is useless as logic or as a well formed English statement
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Willard Scott said:
When will Your LOGICAL translation of Scripture be available?
Many translations are linguistically (and logically) solid. What I'm waiting for is a larger percentage of the interpretation of scripture to be equally thoughtful - whether that interpretation be expressed in words, action or art.
But despite Logos doing deixsis for us in their recent tagging to support clausal searches and despite Logos moving into philosophy especially in the Noet market, I fear this subthread with you and Paul is not exactly relevant to the Logos software so I'll bow out before it gets too out of hand.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Well, Willard;
She got the last word. [:P]
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Paolo russo said:
In the attempt to secure my investment, I would like to tell Bob, and Logos that if in the nera/distant future, their business as book seller will go down to the point that they must take some tough decisions...I will be interested in paying a recurring fee to pay for the servers, computer, and workers, who can keep up running my logos collection, tagging, and iPad app. IF it ever happens, consider to turn the business in a different direction, instead of closing it.
"investment"? "recurring fee"? "different direction"?
I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources. I imagine many publishers will pull their books from Logos and others will require a premium to access their titles. The cable TV industry operates this way. We should thoughtfully consider the difference between the following two sentences:
- "You will never pay twice for your books."
- "You will own your books forever."
They look similar but they don't mean the same thing. Logos only said one of the statements.
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NO ! Not Everyone.Super.Tramp said:I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources.
For those of us who own books, A monthly fee would constitute paying for books more than once.Super.Tramp said:"You will never pay twice for your books."
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You are correct. I won't be renting Logos books. As for paying twice; nobody will be forced to subscribe. Of course, I am just running my mouth in speculation.Schezic said:
NO ! Not Everyone.Super.Tramp said:I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources.
For those of us who own books, A monthly fee would constitute paying for books more than once.Super.Tramp said:"You will never pay twice for your books."
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MJ. Smith said:
the egg because eggs exist in species that precede the fowl
The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:
1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless.
2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors: it appears all at once and “fully formed.”
Norman L. Geisler and Ronald M. Brooks, When Skeptics Ask (Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1990), 229.0 -
I can prove, using the Bible, the chicken came first. But that is a discussion for ChristianDiscourse.com
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[Y] agreedSuper.Tramp said:I can prove, using the Bible, the chicken came first. But that is a discussion for ChristianDiscourse.com
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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This would probably be impossible but could Logos ever offer something like Netflix offers? Could they offer access to large library of books for a monthly fee? Some staple books would be constant but others would rotate in and out of the library and new books would constantly be introduced. What do you think?
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Could Logos offer a service where their entire library was available for under 20$ a month? Probably, but it would have some serious caveats.David Dobbs said:This would probably be impossible but could Logos ever offer something like Netflix offers? Could they offer access to large library of books for a monthly fee? Some staple books would be constant but others would rotate in and out of the library and new books would constantly be introduced. What do you think?
For instance, you'd probably only be able to open one book at a time. Thats a limitation of Netflix.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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If a lot of people believed this is a possible future why would they continue to buy Logos resources? And I believe if a lot of people quit buying Logos resources Bob would be forced to change the business model. We are at a precarious moment in Logos history.David Dobbs said:This would probably be impossible but could Logos ever offer something like Netflix offers? Could they offer access to large library of books for a monthly fee? Some staple books would be constant but others would rotate in and out of the library and new books would constantly be introduced. What do you think?
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abondservant said:
Could Logos offer a service where their entire library was available for under 20$ a month? Probably, but it would have some serious caveats.
It would be closer to $100 per month for a general Library. Premium libraries like Baker and Zondervan would be an additional $20 each. Just look at the current monthly rental rates Logos charges. Some authors and publishers would pull out..........How much per month would you pay to rent a public domain library?
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Well if Logos does ever become Logosflix, I am claiming royalties. Because you all just witnessed it here that I came up with the idea. I think 3% of sales would suffice [:D].
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Super.Tramp said:
How much per month would you pay to rent a public domain library?
Zero.
I would stick with Kindle, Nook, and other Ebooks which I still buy along side Logos. Moreover, I still buy paper books (I'm currently working on electronically scanning them into ebooks).
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How much per month would you pay to rent a public domain library?
It may be too expensive for most individuals but it could be a great service for Churches. They might be willing to pay such a fee for their pastoral staff.
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We have gone from debating the chicken and the egg, to apples and oranges. Renting a book is NOT the same as owning a book...or a library of books. I don't see how a rental situation would give me access to all my books all the time. It would hinge on internet accessibility, bandwidth, and server availability. If we give up an onboard, indexed library, we would step back into the last century.
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There is change in the wind, my friends. I still have Biblesoft on my PC. It has a couple of obscure commentaries that I didn't want to duplicate. ... But still consult, from time to time. I paid a quick visit to their website this morning. Everything is 60% off. A lot (if not most) of the reputable publishers' works have been pulled from the shelves. It kinda looks like a fire sale. [:(]
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Schezic said:
Renting a book is NOT the same as owning a book...
I quite agree.
Schezic said:I don't see how a rental situation would give me access to all my books all the time.
It can be done.
Schezic said:If we give up an onboard, indexed library, we would step back into the last century.
You and I see it as a step back but those newbies entering Logos as a renter will rejoice at the step forward.
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