Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos
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Well I'm encouraged. It sounded to me at the end of the video that Mark Barnes more or less said they are planning to release feature packages for sale in the Fall. That should alleviate a lot of concern.
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This thread has had lots of pros and cons to what is planned by Logos. I have one simple basic question. If I don't choose to subscribe for the first few months and say 4 new features are added, do I get those 4 features or do I only get those that are added after I subscribe?
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This thread has had lots of pros and cons to what is planned by Logos. I have one simple basic question. If I don't choose to subscribe for the first few months and say 4 new features are added, do I get those 4 features or do I only get those that are added after I subscribe?
Based on what they have described, if the features belong to the package for which you subscribed, then yes, you would get those features. Everything they have said indicates that all subscribers will be current. There will not be older subscribers who have greater access than newer subscribers for any given subscription. That being said, it does appear that they will continue to offer different tiers of features, just as they have done in the past. So someone who is subscribed to a less expensive package will not have all of the features that are available in a more expensive subscription. We'll have to wait until the Fall to see exactly how it will look, however.
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Thank you Aaron for your take. I would like to hear some official word on this matter.
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My observation of the new proposed subscription based offering is that logos does not have many new features/enhancements/tools to offer with the next release. They are trying to create excitement with "AI" as there only new substantial offering. There will possibly be a promise of forthcoming new features with subscription, but it will be a maintenance subscription; fixing errors highlighted by users and packaging them as enhancements. As users mentioned previously; there is nothing that excites me personally to look forward to the new expected logos release/subscription.
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Yep,
I pray that Logos doesnt do this. But every subscription model has the very fine print saying you never “own” it. It is at the company‘s Will to remove, take away, etc. So what happens if you don‘t pay for a few months? You revert back to what you had before the subscription.
I will say this. If they made it to where people can do the monthly thing fine. But for us that dont. Let us buy whatever updates yearly. And that we “actually” own them. I am perfectly fine waiting a year if it means I actually own it.0 -
I like the idea of having both options, either to purchase to own, or subscribe.
I've been paying for Logos Now for almost 8 years instead of buying the Full Feature set back in 2016. I want to continue doing this, but I definitely also want to have the option to buy the features out right if and when I decide to stop my subscription.How about a 'rent to own' option, this could work for courses?
"Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.
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"Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.
😂 Exactly my thoughts! 😂
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My observation of the new proposed subscription based offering is that logos does not have many new features/enhancements/tools to offer with the next release. They are trying to create excitement with "AI" as there only new substantial offering. There will possibly be a promise of forthcoming new features with subscription, but it will be a maintenance subscription; fixing errors highlighted by users and packaging them as enhancements. As users mentioned previously; there is nothing that excites me personally to look forward to the new expected logos release/subscription.
Fixing errors or stuff that has long been unfinished or never worked right is a plus. Otherwise, we might have to live with it--maybe forever,
Yep,
I pray that Logos doesn't do this. But every subscription model has the very fine print saying you never “own” it. It is at the company‘s Will to remove, take away, etc. So what happens if you don‘t pay for a few months? You revert back to what you had before the subscription.
I will say this. If they made it to where people can do the monthly thing fine. But for us that don't. Let us buy whatever updates yearly. And that we “actually” own them. I am perfectly fine waiting a year if it means I actually own it.Some things are little hard to own. Like a Ferris wheel ride or a trip to the Smithsonian. The experience is what we take with us. Some other things are hard to own too, like a freeway, but my taxes probably maintain 50 feet or so of it, but I get to drive the whole thing because of how it is funded. So, there is that. What if Logos sells what is saleable, but lets us subscribe in order to get on some "freeway" of service without having to buy the whole thing when it's not something we could keep anyway? If so...what is that "freeway" thing? I can't quite imagine--I am pretty sure it's not anything AI as it is offered now, but supposedly we are in for some happy surprises!
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Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.
😂 Exactly my thoughts! 😂
Thats more like punishment than reward (which isn't Mark's fault), but not for me--I don't use it anyway. I just hope it isn't a harbinger of the new Logos.
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Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.
😂 Exactly my thoughts! 😂
Hi NathanL,
I have no problem if Logos wants to charge subscription for immediate access to fixes to its software. But we should be able to buy this in 2 years (given its current 2-year cycle). But allowing access only through subscriptions to bug-fixes/modest-improvements for features already purchased is what people are worried about.
This post is too long for anyone from Logos to notice. Could you start please a new post with this. I would like to hear Mark Barnes or anyone from Logos comment on this.
Thanks
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God
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I have no problem if Logos wants to charge subscription for immediate access to fixes to its software. But we should be able to buy this in 2 years (given its current 2-year cycle). But allowing access only through subscriptions to bug-fixes/modest-improvements for features already purchased is what people are worried about.
This post is too long for anyone from Logos to notice. Could you start please a new post with this. I would like to hear Mark Barnes or anyone from Logos comment on this.
Thanks
I think they said previously when someone called them out about it that eventually that would (probably) be rolled out to everyone.
For me, if that's one of the benefits they are going to lead with, it doesn't make the subscription seem all that worth it.
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(Parenthetical comment because its only partly on-topic)
Does this discussion set the record for long? Even longer than the Dating Site discussion? Longer than "Dracula?"
It seems to have broken my "Last" button. Clicking "Last" takes me back to "First" and believe me, I don't want to go there!0 -
Clicking "Last" takes me back to "First" and believe me, I don't want to go there!
This happens when the final post, the post that caused the page break, gets deleted
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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(Parenthetical comment because its only partly on-topic)
Does this discussion set the record for long? Even longer than the Dating Site discussion? Longer than "Dracula?"
It seems to have broken my "Last" button. Clicking "Last" takes me back to "First" and believe me, I don't want to go there!The Linux post still has this one beat, but only by 550 replies.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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allowing access only through subscriptions to bug-fixes/modest-improvements for features already purchased is what people are worried about.
Bug fixes will be made available for free to all users. This has been promised with clarity. Modest improvements for features already purchased... well that is a different matter - partly because the question itself is vague. What, precisely, is a "modest" improvement? If the improvement is similar to a bug fix that allows the feature to work as it was intended to work, they have more or less said that that would be rolled out without requiring an additional purchase/subscription. If it expands the feature with new functionality, I wouldn't expect that to be rolled out for free, even if it was a "modest" improvement.
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It seems to have broken my "Last" button. Clicking "Last" takes me back to "First" and believe me, I don't want to go there!
Instead of clicking on "Last", click on "Latest Post."
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1Cor10 31">allowing access only through subscriptions to bug-fixes/modest-improvements for features already purchased is what people are worried about.
Bug fixes will be made available for free to all users. This has been promised with clarity. Modest improvements for features already purchased... well that is a different matter - partly because the question itself is vague. What, precisely, is a "modest" improvement? If the improvement is similar to a bug fix that allows the feature to work as it was intended to work, they have more or less said that that would be rolled out without requiring an additional purchase/subscription. If it expands the feature with new functionality, I wouldn't expect that to be rolled out for free, even if it was a "modest" improvement.
I am a finance person and we say that there is nothing called free lunch. Only God's unconditional love is free. I am not asking for free lunch and I am sure no one here is asking for free lunch.
Dark mode is a feature that we have. Being able to toggle between light and dark modes without restarting Logos is not a new functionality. Every device has this functionality. It should have been there when they inaugurated the functionality. But Logos is now requiring subscription to get this functionality that they should have had in the first place. That is why requiring subscription is objectionable.
Btw, I'm sorry...did I miss the announcement that you're an official spokesperson whose job is to bat for Logos?
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God
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It's hard to see subscription dark mode toggle as anything other than a huge PR blunder. Really, what did they think the upside to it would be?
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Btw, I'm sorry...did I miss the announcement that you're an official spokesperson whose job is to bat for Logos?
I'm just trying to summarize material that I have read in this gigantic thread for you. If you'd rather get the material from the original source, feel free to start at page one. I am clueless as to what you mean when you talk about me batting for Logos. If trying to save you time by summarizing comments that I have read amounts to batting for Logos, then sure... I guess I am... And while I'm at it, I might as well let you know that somewhere in this thread I recall Mark Barnes specifically mentioning the improved dark mode integration as something they might include in the free version of the software, probably for the reasons you mentioned (even if you're not asking for a free lunch, you'll still get a few. Guess they're just generous?)
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Btw, I'm sorry...did I miss the announcement that you're an official spokesperson whose job is to bat for Logos?
I'm just trying to summarize material that I have read in this gigantic thread for you. If you'd rather get the material from the original source, feel free to start at page one. I am clueless as to what you mean when you talk about me batting for Logos. If trying to save you time by summarizing comments that I have read amounts to batting for Logos, then sure... I guess I am... And while I'm at it, I might as well let you know that somewhere in this thread I recall Mark Barnes specifically mentioning dark mode integration as something they might integrate into the free version of the software, probably for the reasons you mentioned (even if you're not asking for a free lunch, you'll still get a few. Guess they're just generous?)
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1Cor10 31">Btw, I'm sorry...did I miss the announcement that you're an official spokesperson whose job is to bat for Logos?
I'm just trying to summarize material that I have read in this gigantic thread for you. If you'd rather get the material from the original source, feel free to start at page one. I am clueless as to what you mean when you talk about me batting for Logos. If trying to save you time by summarizing comments that I have read amounts to batting for Logos, then sure... I guess I am...
awright, thanks.
And while I'm at it, I might as well let you know that somewhere in this thread I recall Mark Barnes specifically mentioning the improved dark mode integration as something they might include in the free version of the software, probably for the reasons you mentioned (even if you're not asking for a free lunch, you'll still get a few. Guess they're just generous?)
btw, Logos is not being generous when they give you free resources. By your logic, is Google being super generous because their search engine is free? (btw, Google made $175 billion in search ad revenue in 2023)
By allowing people to sample and experiment, Logos is trying to help people see that they can benefit and, thhus, convert them to long-term paying customers. This is good business sense and not being generous.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God
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Mathew 20:16 in action. lolClicking "Last" takes me back to "First" and believe me, I don't want to go there!
This happens when the final post, the post that caused the page break, gets deleted
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I have been largely offline for the past year, and so this is the first I'm seeing of this.
I did sign up for the 30 day trial. However, I am not a fan of another monthly payment.
A purchase option makes the most sense to me.
But we shall see.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Accidentally double posted some how.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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By allowing people to sample and experiment, Logos is trying to help people see that they can benefit and, thhus, convert them to long-term paying customers. This is good business sense and not being generous.
Agree 100%. It seems to me that in this case your signature line is quite fitting. Also, in all seriousness, you seem like a very bright guy. I bet if you looked at my bank statements for the last three months you could tell me ten different ways to increase my wealth.
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I will not be purchasing a subscription, but I would purchase feature upgrades or new versions. I do not have a resource allowance or similar, so cash purchases when I can save up for it is the only viable option for me. Please don't eliminate purchase/perpetual ownership options.
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Please don't eliminate purchase/perpetual ownership options.
Blessings in Christ.
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TLDR: How can I see what it would cost to buy all my “temporary access” resources (through “Faithlife Connect Essentials”), so I have access to all I’m currently using when the new subscription model drops?
LONGER VERSION
I have been a Logos user since version 2.0. I just recently threw out the two program floppies and one provided for license backups. I have nearly 7,500 permanent resources I own through the years and have systematically passed on my print library as I move digitally. Logos is my “bread and butter” software for ministry. When I was at seminary, Gramcord (sp?) for DOS was used and when I graduated, Windows 95 was just a year old. Knowing how I had to research before Logos, I never want to go back.
I have been a “Faithlife Connect Essentials” (formerly “Logos Now”) subscriber for some time as well, though once in awhile, I will actually also ‘purchase’ a package upgrade as well so that, if I ever need to unsubscribe, I will be at a not-too-outdated software level I can keep using.
Seeing where things are going, I suspect I will (grudgingly) subscribe, but exploring any other options I may have.
Through my subscription, I have “temporary access” to a lot of resources (290). I can see what those are through the Logos library,” but can’t do a simple search for those on the website store. To wit: I would like to see a list of what each of these “temporary” resources (or packages, as is more likely) would cost to “own” them, so I would still have access to what I’ve been using should I decide not to move to the “Logos Pro” subscription. (I know it will be a lot.) I can find no simple way to do this.
Even though I currently have a subscription, I am not excited about this move. (It doesn’t help that there is no resource to show what I will have to give up from my “Faithlife Connect Essentials” subscription if moving to the “Logos Pro” one when the change is made.
Thank you.
I should also note that I also pay for a "Faithlife Connect Essentials" subscription for my son, who has one more year at the seminary, so this isn't just an academic (!) situation for me, but for the future of those in ministry.
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