FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop
The new resource toolbar has made it to the desktop app and is now available for beta testing in version 36 Beta 3!
As we all know, the desktop app has a world of functionality inside it. That is, if you know the right places to click. We often hear that our app is confusing for new users, so we took that feedback, (along with the feedback from the web resource toolbar) and focused on improving the discoverability and intuitiveness of the buttons on the toolbar.
Here’s what you can expect from our revamped resource toolbar:
- Simple: We’ve simplified the layout and made the buttons more explanatory, so you can focus on studying the Word instead of getting bogged down by learning all of the icons.
- Clear: Each button is carefully designed to represent its function, making it easier than ever to find the tool you need.
- Quick: Everything you need is just 1 or 2 clicks away, instead of several clicks.
It’s important to note that this toolbar will not release to version 36 stable. It will remain in beta throughout the v37 beta cycle. We are releasing this feature earlier than we usually release new beta features, in order to allot more time for feedback from you. That being said, we’re still working on some polishing. We’d value your feedback on this, but please keep in mind that it’s not fully finished yet.
So, try out the new toolbar and let us know what you think in this forum thread. We can’t wait to hear from you!
Other Important Things to Note:
- This change is not related to the application toolbar. It is the resource toolbar, which is only for book resources.
- This feature requires a license. If you don’t already subscribe, you can get a temporary license for the features marked with an asterisk during the beta period by becoming a follower of this Faithlife group.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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I regret to see another row being added to the top of the window.
If you click on the active tab, the extra line disappears.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I am reading in the Expositor's Greek Testament, and the author cites a passage from Eusebius in Greek. Yes, I have Eusebius in English, but Logos is supposed to be for scholars. Not all scholars are fluent in Greek outside the Koine. But Logos can't translate it. But it could have been classical Greek. i have a book somewhere on Logos that refers to modern Greek to help understand a word in the Bible.
I think Logos should translate Greek too. Hey, translating was your idea.
I think Logos should translate Greek too.
If you can provide them with a link to a site that translates classical and koine Greek, I'm sure they would look into adding it. The engines they currently use translate only modern Greek.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I am reading in the Expositor's Greek Testament, and the author cites a passage from Eusebius in Greek. Yes, I have Eusebius in English, but Logos is supposed to be for scholars. Not all scholars are fluent in Greek outside the Koine. But Logos can't translate it. But it could have been classical Greek. i have a book somewhere on Logos that refers to modern Greek to help understand a word in the Bible. I think Logos should translate Greek too. Hey, translating was your idea.
ChatGPT is able to do this very efficiently. Specify to it that it is classical Greek or Koine and it will translate very efficiently. I've encountered translation errors on DeepL, but never on ChatGPT. When I think the GPT has translated too freely, I specify that I want a more exact or literal translation.
A suggestion for Faithlife would be to leave DeepL for those who have bought Logos 10 and are not subscribers, and provide a more intelligent and customizable translator for those who are subscribers (as I said, GPT does this very well). This would be another improvement offered in the subscription.
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"... And do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength." (Ne 8.10)
Where do I go for the Greek Interlinear view I had available in Logos 10?
Click View and then click "interlinear." or press ctrl+shift+r (r for reverse interlinear) on Windows or cmd+shift+r on Mac.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
- Please save the state of the toolbar for each opened resource when saving a layout.
- Or alternatively save the state of the toolbar within the resource itself.
- Or provide a program setting to have it collapsed by default.
As mentioned by others, the new toolbar is more clear but quite cluttered, using a lot of real estate. I like it, but would like to keep it collapsed by default so I can focus on my resources, with less visual clutter.
Many thanks !!
- Please save the state of the toolbar for each opened resource when saving a layout.
- Or alternatively save the state of the toolbar within the resource itself.
- Or provide a program setting to have it collapsed by default.
As mentioned by others, the new toolbar is more clear but quite cluttered, using a lot of real estate. I like it, but would like to keep it collapsed by default so I can focus on my resources, with less visual clutter.
Many thanks !!
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- Please save the state of the toolbar for each opened resource when saving a layout.
- Or alternatively save the state of the toolbar within the resource itself.
- Or provide a program setting to have it collapsed by default.
As mentioned by others, the new toolbar is more clear but quite cluttered, using a lot of real estate. I like it, but would like to keep it collapsed by default so I can focus on my resources, with less visual clutter.
Many thanks !!
The user experience concerning secondary toolbar(s) in resource windows begins with your screen size. If I'm using Logos on my 27" monitor the re-appearing secondary toolbars are still annoying but not nearly as much as when I'm mobile and working from my 14" laptop screen. Then those secondary toolbars really get in the way. And re-hiding them every time that I fire up Logos on my laptop is frustrating.
Can you give the user the same kind of option that exists in MS Word? In the Show Ribbon (aka secondary toolbar in Logos) Menu, the user can pick "Show Tabs Only" or "Always Show Ribbon." For my purposes and layouts, and especially on my laptop, the equivalent of "Show Tabs Only" would be perfect. I regain significant screen space, and if I need a certain option or tool, I can click on the appropriate menu (Home, Search, Notes, etc) and quickly find what I need. After that the secondary toolbar disappears again, and I'm back to work.
But another user may prefer the "Always Show Ribbon (secondary toolbar)" option. Choice is best.
Please consider adding this option. Thanks!
I like the options that are available, but honestly i like the layout that was there before. It took me a while to find the options that I used to know right where they were, and searching through the different tabs. I used to be able with one click to turn on interlinear, other resources, factbooks, etc. Now it takes going through the different tabs, a click on the option and then turn on/off the feature. This feels a little more clunky and not as fast. I would prefer being able to just click the on the feature to turn it on/off and the dropdown arrow next to it if i need to change some options.
BibleWorks had a fully customizable tool ribbon, using icons, at the top of its screen which allowed the user to prioritize any of the program's functions while leaving unused functions invisible (though they were still accessible through drop-down menus).
Such "ribbon" functionality would be a far better option than the Dynamic Toolbar, particularly if:
*All Logos functions/utilities were assigned unique icons
*The ribbon could be customized for each screen layout.
Looking forward to any toolbar efficiency improvement ASAP.
To display the Interlinear view now requires two mouse clicks: one on the Interlinear button on the tool, and then another in the popup window to move the Interlinear Options slider to the right. Similarly to turn off the interlinear view and return to a non-interlinear view requires two more mouse clicks: on the Interlinear button to expose the popup window and another on the Interlinear Options slider to move it to the left. Recommend this feature be somehow modified to enable the interlinear view to be activated/deactivated with just one mouse click. Thanks.
Where is the parallel resources button in L2025? I used it often to quickly access a parallel resource, such as another Bible version or commentary. I hope this button will return soon. Thanks.
Where is the parallel resources button in L2025? I used it often to quickly access a parallel resource, such as another Bible version or commentary. I hope this button will return soon. Thanks.
It's now done via the Bible cover image:
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much!
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I typed the query "What can you tell me about the origin of the Nicene Creed?" from the search button on the new toolbar and got a return (AI-generated? I'm not sure.) referencing Institutes of the Christian Religion but not the book Ecumenical Councils which details the council where that creed was written. Perhaps I did something wrong to not activate the AI LLM function which, I would expect, would have found and returned the info from the Ecumenical Councils book. If I failed to access the AI function in my query, then I guess my feedback is how to do that isn't intuitively obvious from the user interface. Thanks.
I typed the query "What can you tell me about the origin of the Nicene Creed?" from the search button on the new toolbar and got a return (AI-generated? I'm not sure.) referencing Institutes of the Christian Religion but not the book Ecumenical Councils which details the council where that creed was written.
Hi Don
What kind of search did you run? What it an "All" search or a "Books" search?
In any case, when I ran that query I got this in the first sentence of the response (Synopsis):
"The Nicene Creed originated at the first Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., convened by Emperor Constantine to address church divisions related to the Arian controversy"
Perhaps I did something wrong to not activate the AI LLM function which, I would expect, would have found and returned the info from the Ecumenical Councils book. If I failed to access the AI function in my query, then I guess my feedback is how to do that isn't intuitively obvious from the user interface. Thanks.
If you have subscribed to Logos Premium/Pro/Max you do not need to activate any AI function. It will already be active once your software has updated.
I reran the query using the Search logo in the far upper-left of the screen, four icons to the right of the blue Logos logo, and set the query to Book search. In the Synopsis window I got a return, which says it was generated by AI, which only listed Calvin's Institutes as a source.
I reran the query using the Search logo in the far upper-left of the screen, four icons to the right of the blue Logos logo, and set the query to Book search. In the Synopsis window I got a return, which says it was generated by AI, which only listed Calvin's Institutes as a source.
It's only listing Calvin's Institutes as the source because you seem to be searching only in that book - see upper left corner, above the question.
I see it now, thanks so much for your help and expertise. I changed the search scope to all my books and got a return similar to yours. Thanks again.
The Insights Tool will not fill out. It shows, but I get no information in the insights. I did previously, but it is not working today. Any ideas?
In Insights I got a "something went wrong. Try again." I tried again. Now I have related passages and cross-references, but it isn't resources commentaries and encyclopedias. Any ideas?
At first this change brought some panic. But I am starting to see the value in it and really like the text description of the menu headings, though maybe an option for symbols being a preference would be worth considering.
The function I had the most difficulty finding was the parallel resource. It was very obvious, but I'm used to using the // symbol on the resource tool bar. I went digging in the "add parallel text" menu and couldn't figure it out. Maybe in that menu you could add a "show parallel resources" button that opens/highlights where this functionality is. 
It's a little off putting not to have some indicator that the selected tab is the one chosen to have hyperlinks sent to, other than a check mark on the panel menu.
Perhaps a red circle around the "x" used to close the tab?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.4 1TB SSD
It's a little off putting not to have some indicator that the selected panel is the one chosen to have hyperlinks sent to, other than a check mark on the panel menu.
Perhaps a red circle around the "x" used to close the tab?
When I select send hyperlinks here I get a little target on the Tab of the Bible to indicate the panel that links will to open in
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Oh, thanks. That's where that target went to. So, my objection has a finer point. When one has several tabs open the target isn't viewable. Please address this issue.It's a little off putting not to have some indicator that the selected panel is the one chosen to have hyperlinks sent to, other than a check mark on the panel menu.
Perhaps a red circle around the "x" used to close the tab?
When I select send hyperlinks here I get a little target on the Tab of the Bible to indicate the panel that links will to open in
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.4 1TB SSD
but I'm used to using the // symbol on the resource tool bar
The funny thing about that is I'm the guy who originally suggested the // icon (because it's the geometry symbol for parallel lines, of course!) and it's been one of the icons that has be reported time and time again as being mysterious and counterintuitive to new folks. (Along with the "three circles stacked like cannon balls" for visual filters.) Once you learn it, it becomes one more hieroglyph that's stuck in your brain, but until then it's a total mystery.
Anyway, we're definitely seeing a pattern with people not discovering the book cover or not associating it with switching out the resource. That, and the number of clicks to toggle interlinear. Other interesting feedback on this thread to be sure, but those seem like the top two pain points so far.
but I'm used to using the // symbol on the resource tool barThe funny thing about that is I'm the guy who originally suggested the // icon (because it's the geometry symbol for parallel lines, of course!) and it's been one of the icons that has be reported time and time again as being mysterious and counterintuitive to new folks. (Along with the "three circles stacked like cannon balls" for visual filters.) Once you learn it, it becomes one more hieroglyph that's stuck in your brain, but until then it's a total mystery.
Anyway, we're definitely seeing a pattern with people not discovering the book cover or not associating it with switching out the resource.
Probably should have provided this feedback earlier, but I felt like there was a missed opportunity with the blue New button and the toolbar. Before pressing it, I thought the button was going to provide a quick 4 to 6 step highlighted tour of the new toolbar. This tutorial should start with a big arrow pointing to the book cover and down arrow especially since it has generated the most questions in the forums since the beta launch.
Windows 11 & macOS 15 (Logos Pro) | iOS 18 (Logos Mobile Beta)
Nice! To be honest, I JUST finished Camp Logos (online) for Logos 10, so this was the first time In almost 10 years of using Logos that I truly understood how to use most of the vast variety of tools and where to locate them. So, I DO think this new change is better for brand new users. It's intuitive if you're starting from scratch. But it is an annoying change for power users or long time users. Symbols are always good! maybe a toggle like you can the main Logos menu bar?
but I'm used to using the // symbol on the resource tool barThe funny thing about that is I'm the guy who originally suggested the // icon (because it's the geometry symbol for parallel lines, of course!) and it's been one of the icons that has be reported time and time again as being mysterious and counterintuitive to new folks. (Along with the "three circles stacked like cannon balls" for visual filters.) Once you learn it, it becomes one more hieroglyph that's stuck in your brain, but until then it's a total mystery.
Anyway, we're definitely seeing a pattern with people not discovering the book cover or not associating it with switching out the resource. That, and the number of clicks to toggle interlinear. Other interesting feedback on this thread to be sure, but those seem like the top two pain points so far.
I believe the dynamic toolbar’s book cover is frequently not being associated with switching of resources because book cover images in Logos are normally used to identify a resource and with the exception of the new category labels, symbol icons are primarily used to control program actions. If the book cover image is replaced with a symbol icon, perhaps many more people would at least recognize it as being related to a program action which would lead them to click on it and discover its purpose.
Although, while initially learning this new version it is frustrating that the book cover’s association with switching resources is not apparent, the main reason I don’t like it and would like to see it changed to a symbol icon is as follows: The resource panel’s main tab already automatically displays the currently opened bible or book. A second appearance of the same bible or book cover in the toolbar seems redundant. In my opinion, it adds unnecessary clutter and looks odd. In addition, if it is one of the bright high contrast book cover images (such as used for some bibles), it can distract from reading the text directly below it.
For these reasons, instead of a book cover image, please consider using a simple, non-distracting symbol icon consistent with the other grey icons in the secondary toolbar, (and please no high contrast ultra bright colors).
In addition, this symbol icon’s function would be even more apparent if it were to remain in its present location (to the left side of the bible or book reference) but separated outside of the shaded reference box.
Not disagreeing but I'd like to point out there is another group of users that we aren't hearing from - those whose 1st instinct after seeing the new toolbar was to punch every title, icon, button that wasn't obvious to get "the lay of the land." These people had no trouble finding parallel resources and have, in fact, already started calling it something else in the forums e.g. change books.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Please bring back a way to toggle on and off the parallel text. I use this constantly to open Hebrew/Greek text parallel to the passage I'm studying. In the prior version, the parallel text button was always visible and could be clicked on and off in one step. Now it takes 4 steps: go to the view tab, click on add parallel text, toggle on/off parallel text, and click out of dropdown to close the dropdown.
Please bring back a way to toggle on and off the parallel text. I use this constantly to open Hebrew/Greek text parallel to the passage I'm studying. In the prior version, the parallel text button was always visible and could be clicked on and off in one step. Now it takes 4 steps: go to the view tab, click on add parallel text, toggle on/off parallel text, and click out of dropdown to close the dropdown.
Same here. I switch Parallel Text on/off several times a day while studying. With the new configuration I hesitate every time because: 1) I have to remember where the button is; and 2) I calculate whether the extra time to open it is worth it.
Frankly, I find it so frustrating I am willing to drop my subscription (and I really like Smart Search), just to get the old toolbar back.
I regularly use the Interlinear function. I'm missing it being one of the main items, and that a single click of the item doesn't go directly to the interlinear. Now, I have to click to choose the menu which it's in, then I have to click the item, and then I have to click to turn it on or off. Could you at least make it so that clicking the arrow opens the menu while clicking the item does the already set up action? Thanks! Richard
Could you at least make it so that clicking the arrow opens the menu while clicking the item does the already set up action? Thanks! Richard
From one Richard to another, that is a good suggestion! [Y]
Welcome to the forums.
Have to learn how to use it more effectively, but a great new feature!
Dr. Bob Payne
I am going round and round in circles with this new toolbar. I want to check corresponding highlights and notes and lemmas. You know, where I mark something in one Bible or create a note in one, and it shows up in the other Bibles.
can't find it
This page should help:
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
A suggestion for buttons on the new toolbar that have further "drop-down" options (for example, Home > Verse - when you click on it you see 5 more options for navigating through a resource that you can then click on):
Allow for this additional, alternative and quicker method of choosing an option: left-click and hold on the original button, which activates the list of drop-down options, and then bring your mouse down over one of those options and release the left-click. This will then activate that option. This will keep the action to one click instead of two for those who want to work faster.
First 10-15 minute reaction! --> I didn't even realize I was dealing necessarily with a new feature here yet, or that this was called the "New Resource Toolbar," etc. I had x-ed out the breadcrumb (locator bar) and was trying to bring it back and a little frustrated not sure how, but in the process... yeah, I discovered this is a whole new toolbar... and past that initial bit of frustration of not being able to quickly bring the locator bar back, once I started learning what this is ... I think I love it!! Well done guys, keep shooting for the stars. There's just no one perfect way to do all this, but my initial 'virgin' reaction is, this is really nice and well thought out.
MAYBE the Home tab could have 2-3 custom items the user likes to use put in there? There's just one thought... I know it's important not to just make this a free for all and fully customizable like some people here have said, I know that is definitely not ok from much UX experience over the years. But maybe that one exception is for 2-3 commands / frequent ones, so one doesn't as often have to navigate to other tabs, there's just one thought, but keep up the good work and God bless y'all!
Nicholas
Ich finde die neue Toolbar auch negativ. Z.B. die Funktion "Paralleler Text" ist zu weit und zu schwer zu erreichen. Diese Option habe ich oft mit einem Klick aktiviert bzw. deaktiviert. Jetzt brauche ich dafür 3 Schritte.
Dafür wurde der Platz in der Startansicht genutzt, um "Info" auszuschreiben. Info als Funktion, die ich fast nie benutze.
Die neue "Entdecken" Funktion ist ein Gewinn. Danke Dafür!
Mein Wunsch wäre, eine gekürzte Toolbar zur Verfügung zur Stellen. Oder dem Nutzer die Auswahl zu geben, wie er sie haben möchte, im neuen oder im gekürzten alten Design.
Vielen Dank!
I'm liking the dynamic and secondary toolbars a bit better now that I've been using them a few days. Granted some operations I did before required fewer mouse clicks (such as displaying/removing the interlinear view), but against that negative the positive is that it seems the two toolbars consolidate more of the functions on each panel. I'm getting used to clicking one of the few items on the dynamic bar, very often formatting or view, and then seeing what options appear in the secondary bar -- convenient.
Thanks Logos. I know you're getting a lot of helpful feedback on tweaking the new implementation, user interfaces are hard as they deal with widely-varying human factors, but I really appreciate the work you're doing.
It seems that the new resource tool bar has taken away the feature that allows me to advance to the next page by taping the space bar.
It seems that the new resource tool bar has taken away the feature that allows me to advance to the next page by taping the space bar.
As before, it requires that you put the keyboard focus in the content area. You can do this by clicking in the text of the book.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
It seems that the new resource tool bar has taken away the feature that allows me to advance to the next page by taping the space bar.
As before, it requires that you put the keyboard focus in the content area. You can do this by clicking in the text of the book.
Ctrl + Space doesn't work to cycle back though.
Also Tab now cycles through all elements of the screen. I was trained to press tab to change the verse, how do you do this now? Would rather it be tab. I don't see any reason to want to cycle through every element on the screen - unless you had specific accessibility issues which should be a togglable feature.
Where is the parallel resource button for windows. From a not so computer savvy oldfart
Where is the parallel resource button for windows. From a not so computer savvy oldfart
This page should be helpful in finding where things moved to: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#SwitchToDifferentBook
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
In my Commentary window, when I click the down arrow and get the dropdown of my parallel book commentaries, I used to be able to mouseover the individual titles and get some book information, specifically the author and the series name. I made frequent use of this to help me choose the parallel book by my favored OT/NT book commentary authors. Please bring the book info mouseover popup back for the parallel books dropdown.
I agree.
I have multiple commentaries and previously with the parallel function you could hover over the book, and it would give you author name and some info. With this gone it's very inconvenient and now I have to actually open the commentary to view this info.
It took me only a few minutes to work out how to find my way around the toolbar. Far better than previous toolbar on the Mac.
One of my main layouts that I have used for years had 5 columns of Bibles. My screen is 15.6 in, so when Logos updated and added the new resource toolbar configuration, both the Hide secondary toolbar and hamburger buttons were able to be seen because they were longer than the column with. (This may be a reason that some people in the above comments could not find the 'Hide secondary toolbar' button.) By reducing program scaling to 80% I was then able to see the Hide secondary toolbar and hamburger buttons on 4 of the columns, but it was not enough to let me see the all the buttons on my 5th column which had to be slightly narrower. This is not a problem for the resource tabs, as when there are too many to show, a Scroll arrow pops up. And it is not a problem for the secondary toolbar, because the buttons are consolidated under, a more toolbar controls button. QUESTION: Is there a plan to add a scroll arrow to the primary Resource Toolbar if the column is too narrow to show all of its buttons?
This change is so awful for interlinear. Instead of 1 click it's not 3. Please change how this works for interlinear or at least give us a command like ctrl + i. You just made this so much more time consuming.
This change is so awful for interlinear. Instead of 1 click it's not 3. Please change how this works for interlinear or at least give us a command like ctrl + i. You just made this so much more time consuming.
The shortcut is Ctrl+alt+r (r for reverse interlinear). It is in the help file but I think they said they're finally adding a tooltip.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
Ctrl - Shift - R instead. However, it opens the bottom pane thing. In the seminar the other day, this was noted, and I believe they are introducing a key stroke sequence for the actual Interlinear.
Yes, and you can't use it to shut off the inline Interlinear. You have to thread your way through three levels, collect all the gems, and avoid the Mouse-Click Monster.
Can't highlight the passage reference anymore as taught in the Logos 10 QuickStart course. Press tab to change the bible reference. Now tab cycles through all UI elements - very disappointing.
Also can't find where to change font size or change parallels.
This is highly disappointing and support have told me I can't get my subscription refunded and cancelled because it's a subscription - despite having no idea subscribing would so heavily alter the UI. Could even say it broke the UI.
Press tab to change the bible reference
Try Ctrl-G
Also can't find where to change font size or change parallels.
Please see https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#TextSlider and https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#SwitchToDifferentBook
Press tab to change the bible reference. Now tab cycles through all UI elements - very disappointing.
Ctrl+G has always been the documented keyboard shortcut to set focus to the Active Reference textbox: https://ref.ly/logosres/logos4help?hw=Windows+Keyboard+Shortcuts
It still works with the new resource toolbar.
or change parallels.
In the parallels icon - the book image just before the navigation box.
o change font size
instead of a slider, it is a % zoom in/out in the view tab - right side.
Could even say it broke the UI.
It shouldn't take long to learn to new UI - the nice thing is everyone is learning the new UI so there is lots of help in the forums.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I upgraded after the launch earlier this week. I've tried to get used to the new toolbar and I just don't like it. I'm hoping Logos does some improvement to it. I find the new one to be less intuitive than the old one, but maybe that will change with time.
Jim R. Keener
I upgraded after the launch earlier this week. I've tried to get used to the new toolbar and I just don't like it. I'm hoping Logos does some improvement to it. I find the new one to be less intuitive than the old one, but maybe that will change with time.
https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/add-a-toolbar-choice
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
book dropdown . default behavior
When I click on the "change book" dropdown (next to the book cover on the menu row) and change to a new book (a Bible in this case) the new Bible comes with default settings I already changed in the previous Bible - Factbook tags, show notes-highlights, etc. I have to change everything all over again. (At least it is building muscle memory for using the menu.)
I would like any new book brought in thru the "change book" dropdown to assume the same settings from the book I am leaving.
That glaring blue "NEW" button has got to go. It is jarring and unsettling. Not how I want to enjoy Logos first thing in the morning.
That glaring blue "NEW" button has got to go. It is jarring and unsettling. Not how I want to enjoy Logos first thing in the morning.
Maybe "new" button should be replaced with a button labeled "Toolbar Help". That could take the user to a resource below or maybe an enhanced Help-Tip page for the toolbar - including a link to participate in this forum thread - which is what the "new" button does.
I have learned a lot in this thread but it is a massive thread. The links below are more organized and such a page could grow with more information, also in an organized way.
Andrew Batishko
It's great!
“If it ain't broke, don't fix it.”
Version 37 (Desktop Logos Pro subscription) with the “new” primary and secondary toolbar is a grievous step backward. What was readily seen before (examples like factbook tag icon, interlinear icon status on or off, parallel resources), now require extra mouse clicks and secondary toolbars. Another issue, while in a Bible resource the Tab key instantly put you into the text reference box for quick input for a new passage, chapter or verse. It seems that now you must mouse click to make a change. The left and right arrow keys were a quick and handy way to view different translations (or related resources like when in a commentary). Now the arrow keys only move you along the toolbar.
The panel menu, visual filter, left click the panel tab, and right click context menus provided all the avenues of accessibility.
If I am mistaken in failing to see the improvements of this UI “upgrade,” would someone please help me?
The left and right arrow keys were a quick and handy way to view different translations
I figured out you have to click in the window where the parallel resource is in order for the L and R arrows to switch to those as it did in the past.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
love the new resource toolbar, long overdue
I like the simplicity of having everything in one general area. When I use the menu, it forces me to think, not only about what I need to look at, but where I need to look in order to utilize it. I'm so used to hurrying through clicks. Now I'm forced to slow down and think well.
Great utilization of space. I'm a fan.
Some programs have a command lookup feature I think would help users quickly find what is in the menus without having to remembers what is buried in the secondary menus.
In libreoffice it is called "search commands" (Shift+Esc) and in Freeplane mindmapper it is called "Command Search" (Ctrl+F1) - see below.
You start typing what you remember of a command and it starts filling in likely commands which you pick from to get to the command you want.
I find this functionality to be very helpful. Each command shows the command path where the commands are located in the menus.
Some programs have a command lookup feature I think would help users quickly find what is in the menus without having to remembers what is buried in the secondary menus.
In libreoffice it is called "search commands" (Shift+Esc) and in Freeplane mindmapper it is called "Command Search" (Ctrl+F1) - see below.
You start typing what you remember of a command and it starts filling in likely commands which you pick from to get to the command you want.
I find this functionality to be very helpful. Each command shows the command path where the commands are located in the menus. Plus it is keyboard friendly.
Regardless of the final solution, I would like to push this idea since it should work with whatever solution.
In Freeplane, I mostly used keyboard shortcuts but I still had to access menus for stuff I accessed less often. And Freeplane's menus were way more complex and deeper than in Logos.
I fairly quickly weaned myself off menus using Command Search. It was so much faster, efficient, and painless than menus.
If you want to watch a Youtube video showing this functionality in Freeplane, here is the link : https://youtu.be/bxhCgYmTUJM. I recommend changing the speed to something about 100% - I talk pretty slowly.
Under Home > Link Set I'd love to have a "Follow Only" option like on the mobile app.
I like tike the new menu placements except for the interlinear tab. I use it quite often and it should have it's won place in the upper ribbon. there are to many key stokes to get to it now. Maybe that is something for thought. Thanks much.
Paul Hoffman
Ad the parallel Resorces to that. to many keystrokes.
problem : When I click on the "change book" dropdown (next to the book cover on the menu row) and change to a new book (a Bible in this case) the new Bible comes with default settings I already changed in the Bible I am leaving (eg, Factbook tags, show notes-highlights, insight sidebar, etc.) I then have to change everything all over again to get back to where I was in the previous Bible. (At least it is helping to build muscle memory for using the menu toolbar.)
suggestion : I would like any new book brought in thru the "change book" dropdown to assume the same settings as from the book I am leaving. As an option.
"Cleaner/simpler" means that some functions require more clicks to get to (which is less efficient). Not a fan so far.
I like a lot of the extra features and for helping out newbies. That's very cool. However, the way I've experienced it in most corporations is that it leaves power users in the dust.
+1 on too many clicks for features that used to have 1-2 clicks (for example, parallel texts are now a minimum of 4 clicks). If we go this route and retain many clicks, I would like to humbly suggest that one (or more) of the three options would be very helpful if implemented:
1)
Keyboard shortcuts for tools to be assigned, and their code put in the tooltip so power users can learn them--for example, putting "Add parallel text (Alt+P)" as the tooltip.
(I know Alt+P is already assigned, so another option is to have a system like what MS Word does where you can tap Alt and then do a string of characters, like VP here for View Parallel. In that case, maybe something like "Add Parallel Text (Alt, V, P)"? Or even doing the underscore move, where after hitting Alt, you see: Home Search Notes Formatting View Tools Share. After tapping V, you'd see: Add parallel text Interlinear Paged view Locator bar)
(Personally, I feel I have to relearn and memorize where everything is (is a parallel text, or adding/removing page numbers, under "View" or "Formatting?"), often activating the wrong tool or searching the different tabs for what I want, but I imagine I'll get the hang of it given enough time)
2)
Buttons to be split into default options and full options. For example, 
clicking on the book icon will add a default parallel text of the default orientation, but clicking on "Add parallel text" or the carat will bring up the full set of options.
3)
The menu is customizable (such as getting to move tools between tabs and rename tabs) or the old menu style can be an option in Settings (much akin to how the most modern LibreOffice Writer works).
I have created a popup to be able to find all the options:
In the Visual Filters, I would like to see the option to open and edit a filter rather than having to open the docs menu to find and edit it.
Good work
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I have created a popup
The graphic is very nice! Well done.
What do you mean by "popup?"
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I like the new look and feel so far, I've had it for 24 hours now to dabble with. As with some others have said, I believe that the Home toolbar, at a minimum, needs to be customizable. I use both the interlinear and parallel features very frequently, and now they are buried behind more clicks, making the switching more time consuming than previous versions.
The more I explore the more I am amazed! Love the new tool bar!!
I tend to like the menus set a certain way - eg, no Factbook tags,no markers, etc. I find it frustrating to open a new Bible to find a totally different set of menu options. If I am going to be parked on that Bible for a while, I have to go thru all the steps again.
I think I would find it helpful to be able to get the menu settings the way I want and then, by some mechanism, save it as my "default menu configuration". Then with 1 button, or whatever, I could quickly configure any Bible the way I like the menus configured. see image
(In the image, I swapped in "Menu Help" instead of the blue "New" button because it makes more sense as mentioned in another post in this thread.)
[edit : maybe the "save default" button should be labeled "default config" (or somesuch) with a dropdown to either save or load]
Could we add an option in settings to let users choose how an active window is selected? My issue is this: when I’m working in the sermon editor (active window), I often move my mouse over to the Bible and use the scroll wheel to find a verse. When I go back to typing, the sermon editor is no longer the active window. It would be helpful if we could choose how an active window is selected—by mouse hover, scroll wheel, or click. Just a thought.
I would like to have an option to revert back to the "old" toolbar (globally or on a window/book basis). It's wasting too much screen space for my taste, I prefer a minimalistic approach to UI to have a better focus on the texts. If possible it would prefer even less UI-elements. Optional, of course, as others have other preferences.
I don't mind the Resource Toolbar. I like it. Well done. My only whine is the one thing I use constantly on and off which is the Interlinear.
I am badgering the topic but it's a big deal to me and a lot of other people. Hoping this squeaky wheel gets some grease.
I would like to have an option to revert back to the "old" toolbar (globally or on a window/book basis). It's wasting too much screen space for my taste, I prefer a minimalistic approach to UI to have a better focus on the texts. If possible it would prefer even less UI-elements. Optional, of course, as others have other preferences.
While you can't get rid of it entirely, you can hide the bottom part of it. See below...
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association
I would like to have an option to revert back to the "old" toolbar (globally or on a window/book basis). It's wasting too much screen space for my taste, I prefer a minimalistic approach to UI to have a better focus on the texts. If possible it would prefer even less UI-elements. Optional, of course, as others have other preferences.While you can't get rid of it entirely, you can hide the bottom part of it. See below...
You can also click on the currently-opened top-row tab (underlined) to fold the secondary row out of the way. On a wide screen that may be less mouse navigation and a bigger click target.
Today the new resource toolbar suddenly appeared without warning and without explanation. I wanted to see the parallel resources, but the icon is gone and the toolbar does not appear to provide that function. How can I list the parallel resources (in the priority I have defined) and select one of them?
Hi Eric - and welcome to the forums
Today the new resource toolbar suddenly appeared without warning and without explanation.
Did you subscribe to one of the new Logos subscription tiers? That is the only reason the new toolar should appear.
How can I list the parallel resources (in the priority I have defined) and select one of them?
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#SwitchToDifferentBook should show you how to do this
Graham
Thank you Graham
I don't like anything that uses up screen space with ideograms/heiroglyphics aka icons (actually the invention of the alphabet was one of the greatest advances in history). All this could be handled better with the vertical ... context specific sub-menus. In general, keeping things the same causes the least confusion and amount of time that needs to be devoted to figuring out how to do what you used to know how to do but no longer do because the program has changed.
Nick
My logos desktop app just updated with this new tool bar. I am NOT a fan. It takes up space and, for me, actually adds more confusion. And I need to close the lower tool bar individually now on every resource that I have open in my layout; which is a lot. I very much prefer the way it was. Maybe give us a preference option to switch back? Thanks for taking our input!
My logos desktop app just updated with this new tool bar. I am NOT a fan. It takes up space and, for me, actually adds more confusion. And I need to close the lower tool bar individually now on every resource that I have open in my layout; which is a lot. I very much prefer the way it was. Maybe give us a preference option to switch back? Thanks for taking our input!
they are not going to take your input. the only way for you to switch back to the old toolbar is to cancel your subscription.
they are not going to take your input. the only way for you to switch back to the old toolbar is to cancel your subscription.
Sad - but true. It will stay and there will be no option. I wonder why they ask for feedback at all if it is not taken into account anyway. That has already happened a few times.
they are not going to take your input. the only way for you to switch back to the old toolbar is to cancel your subscription.
Sad - but true. It will stay and there will be no option. I wonder why they ask for feedback at all if it is not taken into account anyway. That has already happened a few times.
I'm actually at a loss for why they are still stating that they are not planning to give an option.... We have seen the option available in Mark's video and another user posted an experimental option between the toolbars - yet the only answer we have received directly from Logos is there are no plans to allow users an option....
Considering that this feature has such a drastic impact on the use and efficiency of use of the program - it really makes no sense at all to not offer the option from a user stand point.... There are those of us who will not subscribe as long as we will be FORCED to use an inefficient workflow for our use of the software and some who have already stated they are considering cancelling the subscription to get the Classic Toolbar back...
This reminds me of when they took away the Sermon File Addin and we were then told to change the way we created our Sermons, so the "new and improved" Sermon feature could import the Sermon.... I actually had one rep tell me to make two copies of my Sermons to prevent me having to change my Sermon creation model - so in other words the user was to do more work, to make up for the now inefficient manner of function of a Feature.... Needless to say, that is when I stopped using the Sermon Feature(s) in Logos.
So in the same way - if the only way to alleviate the inefficiencies of this "new and improved" is to not subscribe or to relearn/learn keyboard shortcuts - again making the user change their workflow to try to alleviate the inefficiency of a feature decision...
I was willing to give the subscription a chance to impress me, mostly for the Android Sermon features (which is another story, I may be wrong, but I don't recall users being told they had to upgrade or subscribe for a feature that was bringing parity to an OS environment - did Mac Users ever have to upgrade to get access to features they already owned in Windows, when the parity between OS environments was being worked on?) - but as long as I will be forced into using the Dynamic Toolbar, I guess I will only be a user and not an active customer.... Also need to make sure I have backup copies of the V36 install programs just in case....
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I like an icon toolbar better than a text toolbar. It doesn't seem to take up as much room. The toolbar has a way to go back in history but not forward in history. Or am I missing it somewhere?
The toolbar has a way to go back in history but not forward in history. Or am I missing it somewhere?
If you have gone backwards, you can then go forward again using the navigation arrows - https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#NavHistory
Or am I missing what you are asking for?
I miss the old version. I'm willing to adjust to the new. I would like to see one feature from the old version on the new version.
In the previous version, you could click on the icon to toggle on and off. If you want to make changes to the setting, you would click the drop down menu. This made for quick swaps between seeing parallel resources, greek or Hebrew, and such.
In the new version, it feels cumbersome to toggle things on and off. If we could click on an icon to toggle on and off, then select the drop down from the side as previous versions did, that would make the new version both accessible to new users and quicker and easier for experienced users.
After continued use my conclusion has not changed, the new dynamic toolbar is cumbersome, needlessly distracting, and unproductive. It requires the user to make multiple clicks for common tasks that previously took one click. That is not an improvement. Logos, please respond.
I'm loving what I see so far, but I'm trying to find to give this a thorough checkout; Logos is a cut over and above for sure!! TJ
Hello!!! I can't figure out where is the line where you can ask questions and get an answer from my entire library to Logos???
so far not a fan...im having a problem now where i cant highlight the bible passage, put the cursor over the verses and hit copy. now i try to right click over the verses and for a split second the menu i used to hit copy in shows up but disappears immediately
so far not a fan...im having a problem now where i cant highlight the bible passage, put the cursor over the verses and hit copy. now i try to right click over the verses and for a split second the menu i used to hit copy in shows up but disappears immediately
Would you mind posting this issue in the general forum? I cannot reproduce this problem, but with a little more clarity it may be easier to identify. My expectation is that it is unrelated to the new dynamic toolbar.
im having a problem now where i cant SELECT the bible passage
FIFY. For clarification, you mean that you can't "select," rather than "highlight."
You should create a new thread in the DESKTOP forum (this is the desktop beta forum, and there is no current beta).
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I believe it is possible that Tab is not functioning on the Dynamic Toolbar as intended. On the classic toolbar, when Tab was pressed, it would jump to the Reference Box. If one continued to press tab, one could cycle through the menu, but it would always default back to the Reference Box each time it was pressed.
With the Dynamic toolbar, I must press Tab 4 times after starting Logos to select the Reference Box, and I must do this every time Logos starts. In addition, while using Logos, Tab does not exclusively jump back to the Reference Box. Instead, it jumps back to its last-used location. Tab must then be pressed many times to return to the Reference Box. Tab no longer prioritizes the Reference Box at all. Is this behavior intentional?
On the classic toolbar, when Tab was pressed, it would jump to the Reference Box.
Earlier in this thread - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/224537/1322957.aspx#1322957 - Bradley commented that the documented shortcut to get to the reference box has always been Ctrl-G.
So I don't know if the earlier behaviour of the Tab key was unexpected and just happened to work as you describe.
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up which allows to identify the commentary which is simply named e.g. "John". Not sure whether this was mentioned before in this long thread, but it should be fixed in one of the next releases.
Have joy in the Lord! 
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up which allows to identify the commentary which is simply named e.g. "John". Not sure whether this was mentioned before in this long thread, but it should be fixed in one of the next releases.
... and I see it fixed in Logos 38 Beta 1, thank you!
Have joy in the Lord!
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up ...
Sorry. Since the parallel books dropdown is in the same proximity (especially in narrow panels like I typically have open) my brain jumped to the conclusion they were connected.
I was a little frustrated in not seeing the reverse interlinear, but I eventually figured it out. I can see the advantages.