FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop

I don't like the new toolbar. I'm sure I will get used to it, but not thrilled with having to relearn how to do basic tasks. I'm not upset, just providing my initial thought. 

I regularly use the Interlinear function. I'm missing it being one of the main items, and that a single click of the item doesn't go directly to the interlinear. Now, I have to click to choose the menu which it's in, then I have to click the item, and then I have to click to turn it on or off. Could you at least make it so that clicking the arrow opens the menu while clicking the item does the already set up action? Thanks! Richard

Nice! To be honest, I JUST finished Camp Logos (online) for Logos 10, so this was the first time In almost 10  years of using Logos that I truly understood how to use most of the vast variety of tools and where to locate them. So, I DO think this new change is better for brand new users. It's intuitive if you're starting from scratch. But it is an annoying change for power users or long time users. Symbols are always good! maybe a toggle like you can the main Logos menu bar?

Have to learn how to use it more effectively, but a great new feature!

Dr. Bob Payne

Frank Sauer said:

That is the main reason other companies keep a "Classic" option when making such changes to UI toolbars....

Exactly! But I think Logos wants to be “better” than these “second-rate” companies lol (sorry for the irony)

Aaron Hamilton said:

2) Allow an option in settings to remove the text, leaving only the icons in the second row of the toolbar. Yes, I know they do this one by one as needed, but giving the user control would create a more uniform experience and shorten the distance between menu items, allowing for smoother and more efficient use.

3) Allow an option to replace the top row of the toolbar (Home, search, notes, etc.) with icons. This would provide much needed consolidation when working with multiple panes so that one does not have to deal with the "More" menu as frequently.

It's important to note that hiding tool titles has been around since Logos 10. Several tools in the main Toolbar at the top that had titles have had them permanently replaced with icons and pop-ups with titles when you hover the mouse. And when the main Toolbar is placed on the left (default) the titles can be hidden by collapsing the Toolbar, so you can see what it's about when you hover the mouse and see the pop-up title. 

How difficult would it be to give us the option of merely hiding the titles of the dynamic Toolbar? How would this affect the usability of users who consciously choose to hide the titles? And if this option is bad, why isn't it considered bad in the main Toolbar?

I can only see benefits, from a clean interface that makes me concentrate on the text of the book, to the benefit of reducing the mouse scroll area when clicking.

Yes we need options because Logos is so powerful it seem like and ocean that we can sail, surf, swim and just watch. Please remember that not all options are important but options are important to all.[:)]

First 10-15 minute reaction! --> I didn't even realize I was dealing necessarily with a new feature here yet, or that this was called the "New Resource Toolbar," etc. I had x-ed out the breadcrumb (locator bar) and was trying to bring it back and a little frustrated not sure how, but in the process... yeah, I discovered this is a whole new toolbar... and past that initial bit of frustration of not being able to quickly bring the locator bar back, once I started learning what this is ... I think I love it!! Well done guys, keep shooting for the stars. There's just no one perfect way to do all this, but my initial 'virgin' reaction is, this is really nice and well thought out.

MAYBE the Home tab could have 2-3 custom items the user likes to use put in there? There's just one thought... I know it's important not to just make this a free for all and fully customizable like some people here have said, I know that is definitely not ok from much UX experience over the years. But maybe that one exception is for 2-3 commands / frequent ones, so one doesn't as often have to navigate to other tabs, there's just one thought, but keep up the good work and God bless y'all!

Nicholas

Eli Evans (Logos) said:

Doable.

[:D][:D][:D]

I'm liking the dynamic and secondary toolbars a bit better now that I've been using them a few days.  Granted some operations I did before required fewer mouse clicks (such as displaying/removing the interlinear view), but against that negative the positive is that it seems the two toolbars consolidate more of the functions on each panel.  I'm getting used to clicking one of the few items on the dynamic bar, very often formatting or view, and then seeing what options appear in the secondary bar -- convenient.  

Thanks Logos.  I know you're getting a lot of helpful feedback on tweaking the new implementation, user interfaces are hard as they deal with widely-varying human factors, but I really appreciate the work you're doing.

Where is the parallel resource button for windows. From a not so computer savvy oldfart 

I have multiple commentaries and previously with the parallel function you could hover over the book, and it would give you author name and some info. With this gone it's very inconvenient and now I have to actually open the commentary to view this info.  

Don Stuart said:

 I reran the query using the Search logo in the far upper-left of the screen, four icons to the right of the blue Logos logo, and set the query to Book search.  In the Synopsis window I got a return, which says it was generated by AI, which only listed Calvin's Institutes as a source.

It's only listing Calvin's Institutes as the source because you seem to be searching only in that book - see upper left corner, above the question.

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360022299852-How-do-I-create-links-to-Logos-content

It took me only a few minutes to work out how to find my way around the toolbar. Far better than previous toolbar on the Mac.

One of my main layouts that I have used for years had 5 columns of Bibles. My screen is 15.6 in, so when Logos updated and added the new resource toolbar configuration, both the Hide secondary toolbar and hamburger buttons were able to be seen because they were longer than the column with. (This may be a reason that some people in the above comments could not find the 'Hide secondary toolbar' button.) By reducing program scaling to 80% I was then able to see the Hide secondary toolbar and hamburger buttons on 4 of the columns, but it was not enough to let me see the all the buttons on my 5th column which had to be slightly narrower. This is not a problem for the resource tabs, as when there are too many to show, a Scroll arrow pops up. And it is not a problem for the secondary toolbar, because the buttons are consolidated under, a more toolbar controls button. QUESTION: Is there a plan to add a scroll arrow to the primary Resource Toolbar if the column is too narrow to show all of its buttons?

Can't highlight the passage reference anymore as taught in the Logos 10 QuickStart course. Press tab to change the bible reference. Now tab cycles through all UI elements - very disappointing.

Also can't find where to change font size or change parallels.

This is highly disappointing and support have told me I can't get my subscription refunded and cancelled because it's a subscription - despite having no idea subscribing would so heavily alter the UI. Could even say it broke the UI.

Ctrl - Shift - R instead. However, it opens the bottom pane thing. In the seminar the other day, this was noted, and I believe they are introducing a key stroke sequence for the actual Interlinear.

Richard Dickson said:

Ctrl - Shift - R instead. However, it opens the bottom pane thing. In the seminar the other day, this was noted, and I believe they are introducing a key stroke sequence for the actual Interlinear.

Yes, and you can't use it to shut off the inline Interlinear.  You have to thread your way through three levels, collect all the gems, and avoid the Mouse-Click Monster.