FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop

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  • Dean312
    Dean312 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited January 29

    Lots of improvements in this tool bar. But for goodness sake, please restore the simple toggle for the interlinear. Frustration arises when one has to hunt for it, make it easily accessible by putting the toggle button back.

    Thanks!

  • Paul A. Hoffman
    Paul A. Hoffman Member Posts: 4

    I completely agree with Dean here, PLEASE restore the simple toggle for the interlinear. It would make it so much easier and faster.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,876

    Hi Dean and Paul

    Just checking if you know about the keyboard shortcuts to toggle the interlinears:

    • Ctrl/Cmd-I for the inline interlinear
    • Ctrl/Cmd-Shft-R for the reverse interlinear pane

  • Paul A. Hoffman
    Paul A. Hoffman Member Posts: 4

    Yes, I know the keyboard shortcuts, and they are great for keyboard users, but I am more of a mouse guy (lol). I find using it is much faster except looking for a button (even if you know where it is it's a minimum of 3 clicks) that was and could be much more convenient. But thanks for the comeback!

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,902 ✭✭✭✭

    Excellent explanation, Mark. Thank you!

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Steven MacDonald
    Steven MacDonald Member Posts: 268 ✭✭✭

    @Mark Barnes (Logos) Thank you for the detailed explanation. One quick suggestion for a possible improvement that would possibly help. Microsoft Word has a Quick Access toolbar where you can add icons for quick access to to frequently used commands. Why not add the equivalent to Logos?

  • Jason Van Vliet
    Jason Van Vliet Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Prefer Minimized Setting in v 41 sounds very good to me.

    That will make life in Logos much better, so far as I'm concerned.

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29

    I'm in the camp of those who prefer the new toolbar. And I really appreciate your post, Mark. Excellent.

    I'm also excited about the positive changes set to come to the dynamic toolbar. The prefer minimized setting sounds like a fantastic solution to a commonly expressed complaint. I can't wait! (Though I'm not even sure if I'll use it sometimes/always/never, but so glad to hear it's coming nonetheless.)

    I'm still one to push for change, because why not make good, better? It was expressed by a Logos team member in this thread that eliminating words from the toolbar and just having icons was "doable." This is another setting I would love to see, because I dread the "More" tab (in an all-icon setting, "More" could be represented by a double-down arrow like in the 2nd row) and like to push it as far away as possible as my panels multiply and shrink in size. I also like uniformity vs having some icons in the second row with words and some without. I think both rows of the dynamic toolbar could function perfectly well with icons, and I would love to have this option.

    Thx for the update. Much appreciated!

    Edit: I like how features on the toolbar are easier to turn on and off in v40 Beta (no more aiming for that tiny oval - YES!!). I think this also will be a very positive change and makes me miss the on/off buttons of the old toolbar a little (ok…a lot) less.

  • Justin Walker
    Justin Walker Member Posts: 33 ✭✭

    I appreciate finally having an update. It is disappointing to see some of it but I am too invested to not use the software. As one dead set against the way the new toolbar works, I will put up with my dislike if it is actually being used by more people to dig deeper into the word. I may even cheer that fact a bit, although quietly and in secret as I lament the days of the old easy toolbar. 🤣

    The "prefer minimized" is going to be helpful and the sooner the better on its release. I also like Steven MacDonold's suggestion above for the quick access. That might keep those of us who are clicking much more than we like to decrease that a bit for the vast majority of our needs.

    Thanks again for the update.

    Justin Walker

  • Steven MacDonald
    Steven MacDonald Member Posts: 268 ✭✭✭

    Yes, icons that show the text of what they represent would be best of both.

  • Ken F Hill
    Ken F Hill Member Posts: 534 ✭✭✭
  • Ken F Hill
    Ken F Hill Member Posts: 534 ✭✭✭

    This would be great. I love customizability for quick access.

  • Nick Mueller
    Nick Mueller Member, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 104

    Another in the list of minor improvements for the dynamic toolbar can be found in today's v40 Beta 1: For toggle menus like Interlinear and Reformat, clicking anywhere in the header will toggle the feature - you don't need to get your cursor on the exact spot of the toggle. I know it's small change, but we hope that can make it even a little bit easier to toggle features like interlinears.

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭

    For me, this is no small change. Going from a nice fat toggle button to a tiny oval buried in the corner of a dropdown menu was the #1 thing I disliked about the toolbar change. This change feels to me like a glimmer of sunshine cresting over the hill at the break of dawn. The future is bright!

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭

    Do you mean having the text of what the icon represents show in a pop-up as one hovers over the icon? I could see how that would be useful.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,921

    If you narrow the panel so there is no room for the labels, the text labels will disappear, but the hover tips will remain. Steven and others suggest there should be a setting whereby the labels will disappear even when there would be room to show them.

  • George Gallant
    George Gallant Member Posts: 3

    People complain about almost everything. How about we stop using the program, go back 25 years, and see the difficulty of getting a Surman together? You can find everything in books. I think Logos is fantastic.

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30

    @Steven MacDonald I think there may be a bit of confusion here (at least on my end). After checking (interesting, the details one misses when one doesn't look closely), the pop-up text already exists, so I don't see that anything would need to change except for having an icon-only setting. I think this would be a great feature!

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,902 ✭✭✭✭

    No … people complain about what bothers them. It doesn't bother you. So, it shouldn't bother anyone, right?

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Steven MacDonald
    Steven MacDonald Member Posts: 268 ✭✭✭

    These are discussion forums. We discuss what works and what doesn't work as well as what we like and don't like all the while trying to be respectful to one another. This is feedback for Logos and has been valuable in moving it forward. We all have different ways of working and finding something that can come close to satisfying and providing flexibility for different workflows is one of those goals.

  • Frank Sauer
    Frank Sauer Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭✭

    Or go back 25 years and hang out in the Newsgroups by himself, if he doesn't want to read "complaints" LOL

    Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,925

    I have difficulty deciding if a function is under View or Formatting and then not finding it in either. Then I realised that I was missing VF's because I did not recognise the icon. Factbook icon is Ok, the VF icon is undistinguished.

    But I just hovered the Factbook icon and it said "Show Reading Plans"!!…

    I would appreciate some customization as with the Shortcut bar i.e. Show Image and Show Label (w/out renaming).

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Greg Kingsley
    Greg Kingsley Member Posts: 12

    I do NOT find the 'Dynamic Toolbar' a total catastrophe. It was different at first than the preceding version, but I have quickly come to like it. My two cents for free😊