Announcement: Logos Now to continue at same price (with new name)
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Ian Shepard said:
I'm not certain that the Connect pricing chart will be updated with this content because it's not available to non-Logos Now subscribers and it would be confusing to them. I would like a "Connect pricing chart"-like page which defines what our benefits are and how to engage with them.
Actually the new No Library tier will be available to anyone, but at a higher $14.95 price than what LN members are paying.
You can claim your benefits by visiting http://connect.faithlife.com/get-started and scrolling down to Claim benefits.
Ian Shepard said:That said, regarding the free courses, since I never took part in them before, is there only a set of courses that we can choose from or does it include all of them?
Any individual course (e.g., not part of a course bundle). There are about 180 courses to choose from.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Please forgive my ignorance here, but when I click that link and go to the page, I don't see the package listed for us. What should I choose?PetahChristian said:You can claim your benefits by visiting http://connect.faithlife.com/get-started and scrolling down to Claim benefits.
Just the regular "Essentials", or "Starter"? I assume "Essentials".0 -
Choose Essentials. We get the same benefits as that tier.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Cool - that's what I thought. Thanks!PetahChristian said:Choose Essentials. We get the same benefits as that tier.
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I am still very, very confused. I am a long-time Logos member with a HUGE amount of money paid out for books and commentaries and it looks like these books will basically disappear with my "new" automatically rolled over subscription! Is this correct?
I don't need any online streaming content. I just want access to my books. Nor do I want to pay about $100/year to access books I have already bought. How can I do this?
I am a missionary to Japan for 40 years and so it is not easy to "call you". Can we talk via email?
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Dale Viljoen said:
I am still very, very confused. I am a long-time Logos member with a HUGE amount of money paid out for books and commentaries and it looks like these books will basically disappear with my "new" automatically rolled over subscription! Is this correct?
I don't need any online streaming content. I just want access to my books. Nor do I want to pay about $100/year to access books I have already bought. How can I do this?
I am a missionary to Japan for 40 years and so it is not easy to "call you". Can we talk via email?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, however the only books that would "disappear" are the trial books/resources that are free to access for that month. The books that you have paid for you own and will not disappear.
The subscription is for feature sets and access to other things, such as free books each month (ones that you will own), access to different resources to try out (as mentioned above), as well as access to Mobile Ed courses, etc. You are not required to subscribe to anything. This is a mere business shift in that they are reaching out to the crowd that would rather subscribe and not necessarily own.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Dale Viljoen said:
I am still very, very confused. I am a long-time Logos member with a HUGE amount of money paid out for books and commentaries and it looks like these books will basically disappear with my "new" automatically rolled over subscription! Is this correct?
I don't need any online streaming content. I just want access to my books. Nor do I want to pay about $100/year to access books I have already bought. How can I do this?
I am a missionary to Japan for 40 years and so it is not easy to "call you". Can we talk via email?
Hi Dale. I assume you have a previous package(s) you bought/upgraded to in the past you are using. Nothing changes with this. If you do nothing it will continue to work with all the books as it always has. You can upgrade the free engine when a new free version comes out and continue using Logos just like it is now at no additional cost (but no new features, either)
The question is when Logos 8 comes out, do you want to have some or all of the new features? If not, then see the paragraph above. If you do want new features, then you need to decide how you want to get them. You can either purchase a Feature Upgrade or a package (and keep using all the existing books you've purchased) or get a subscription to Logos Connect (and also continue using all the existing books you've purchased).Either way, no matter what you choose, your existing books are always accessible to you. The paid upgrades are always about obtaining new program features and potentially new books, never existing features or books.
Hope this helps
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Thank you Bob,
This is very much appreciated. So just to make sure I understand, does the subscription still include all upgrades such as Logos 8? Could you clarify what is meant by "No Library"?
Warm regards
Ian Clark
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No library means you’re not subscribing to the cloud books that are in the connect packages but you’re paying for features and membership perks
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Exactly. You only have access to your own library that you've purchased, plus the core features included in what was Logos Now.Keith Pang said:No library means you’re not subscribing to the cloud books that are in the connect packages but you’re paying for features and membership perks
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I'm not right clued into this stuff so help me out again if you will. I've purchased Logos 7 Full Feature Set. If I buy Logos 8 Full Feature set, what am I gaining by staying into Faithlife Connect Essentials? If this question is to dumb to give a reply, I'll begin to catch on! :-)
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Bootjack said:
I'm not right clued into this stuff so help me out again if you will. I've purchased Logos 7 Full Feature Set. If I buy Logos 8 Full Feature set, what am I gaining by staying into Faithlife Connect Essentials? If this question is to dumb to give a reply, I'll begin to catch on! :-)
If you purchase the full feature set, the remaining gains would be the free books and access to the mobile ed courses.
This is the list of things for the FLC Essentials
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Thanks for the reply. Can you or someone else explain the 144 Volume Research Library? Is this simply an extra set of books in addition to what I already have (and of course you don't know what I have) but neither do & how would one know, e.g. maybe some of the books in this Research Library are ones I already have?
Also, what is the difference between the Full Bible Toolset in comparison or contrast to what one gets in the Logos 7 or Logos 8 Full Feature Set?
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Bootjack said:
Thanks for the reply. Can you or someone else explain the 144 Volume Research Library? Is this simply an extra set of books in addition to what I already have (and of course you don't know what I have) but neither do & how would one know, e.g. maybe some of the books in this Research Library are ones I already have?
Also, what is the difference between the Full Bible Toolset in comparison or contrast to what one gets in the Logos 7 or Logos 8 Full Feature Set?
For the toolset, I believe that's the feature set.
For the books, go to this link https://logoscloud.com/products/138568/logos-cloud-essentials
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Ok, based on what I'm understanding, I don't really gain as to the Feature Set in FLC. As to the Books, that gives me a link to what is found in the cloud. Am I getting close or am I totally off the rails?
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Bootjack said:
Ok, based on what I'm understanding, I don't really gain as to the Feature Set in FLC. As to the Books, that gives me a link to what is found in the cloud. Am I getting close or am I totally off the rails?
If you subscribe to FaithLife Connect Essentials, you'll get the licenses to those books and they are yours to use as long as you are a subscriber. But, it's temporary. Once you stop the subscription, you lose those books that are a part of your subscription. Any books you bought and paid for you keep.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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And do I really gain as to the Feature Set since I already have that in Logos 7 Full Feature Set AND in Logos 8 should I buy that when it comes out later this week.
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Bootjack said:
Ok, based on what I'm understanding, I don't really gain as to the Feature Set in FLC. As to the Books, that gives me a link to what is found in the cloud. Am I getting close or am I totally off the rails?
Please remember that if you are a Logos Now subscriber who has been grandfathered into Faithlife Connect Essentials, you do not get the 144 temporary resources, which is why the plan for current Logos Now subscribers is called Faithlife Connect Essentials (No Library).
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Bootjack said:
And do I really gain as to the Feature Set since I already have that in Logos 7 Full Feature Set AND in Logos 8 should I buy that when it comes out later this week.
Since you now have the full feature set, what you would gain is access to any new features/tools that are developed between now and when Logos 8 is released (not later this week, I hope [:P]), provided you are still subscribed at the time they are released.
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Bootjack said:
And do I really gain as to the Feature Set since I already have that in Logos 7 Full Feature Set AND in Logos 8 should I buy that when it comes out later this week.
You don't gain anything feature set wise if you already own it. You might get access to some new features between now and the release of Logos 8.
Bootjack said:when it comes out later this week.
Logos 8 is coming out later this week? Or did I read that wrong?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I was waiting for someone to pick up on the "later this week" !!! :-) So again, it seems since I have the Full Feature Set in Logos 7 and will have that in Logos 8 when that comes around the corner, I'm not really getting a whole lot for the 130.00 plus Canadian dollars. Would you concur? Also considering I have all the books & more that I need. Plus, I got a note from Faithlife saying if I felt I did not need the FLC, they would give me a Coupon code toward the purchase of a base package, feature set, or library. One does wonder, can this Coupon be used towards the purchase of Logos 8?
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I would think it would work towards Logos 8
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Bootjack said:
I was waiting for someone to pick up on the "later this week" !!! :-) So again, it seems since I have the Full Feature Set in Logos 7 and will have that in Logos 8 when that comes around the corner, I'm not really getting a whole lot for the 130.00 plus Canadian dollars. Would you concur? Also considering I have all the books & more that I need. Plus, I got a note from Faithlife saying if I felt I did not need the FLC, they would give me a Coupon code toward the purchase of a base package, feature set, or library. One does wonder, can this Coupon be used towards the purchase of Logos 8?
If you have "all the books & more that I need" (I resemble that comment!), I recommend that you simply take the Connect Essentials--No Library. We get what we had in Logos Now plus two Mobile Ed courses each year, an additional free book each month, plus Faithlife TV. I bought the Logos Full Feature Set on some sale a few months back just in case I wanted or needed to drop Logos Now, and I may do the same with Logos 8 just as a bit of an insurance policy should I need to drop FLC. If you liked Logos Now, for the same price you will really like Connect Essentials--No Library, in my opinion.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Jon Bradley said:
If you subscribe to FaithLife Connect Essentials, you'll get the licenses to those books and they are yours to use as long as you are a subscriber. But, it's temporary. Once you stop the subscription, you lose those books that are a part of your subscription. Any books you bought and paid for you keep.
I would add one caveat to this. As per Bob's post, the books that are included with the subscription are likely to be swapped out periodically so they are actually yours to use until you unsubscribe or Faithlife swaps them out for other books. Here is Bob's explanation on this:
Bob Pritchett said:danwdoo said:Are these connect tiers like the base packages where the books are periodically switched out for new ones with new versions of Logos?
Yes, which is one of the reasons it's hard to dynamically price them... they will be changing as our contracts change, as our base package libraries change, etc. (Just as which movies Netflix offers is changing every month.) We believe this to be a benefit, and hope you'll generally see the value grow, not just change.
With that said, I don't expect the changes to be frequent, or massive. They may more often follow major changes in our base packages.
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danwdoo said:Jon Bradley said:
If you subscribe to FaithLife Connect Essentials, you'll get the licenses to those books and they are yours to use as long as you are a subscriber. But, it's temporary. Once you stop the subscription, you lose those books that are a part of your subscription. Any books you bought and paid for you keep.
I would add one caveat to this. As per Bob's post, the books that are included with the subscription are likely to be swapped out periodically so they are actually yours to use until you unsubscribe or Faithlife swaps them out for other books. Here is Bob's explanation on this:
Bob Pritchett said:danwdoo said:Are these connect tiers like the base packages where the books are periodically switched out for new ones with new versions of Logos?
Yes, which is one of the reasons it's hard to dynamically price them... they will be changing as our contracts change, as our base package libraries change, etc. (Just as which movies Netflix offers is changing every month.) We believe this to be a benefit, and hope you'll generally see the value grow, not just change.
With that said, I don't expect the changes to be frequent, or massive. They may more often follow major changes in our base packages.
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Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Bill Moore said:Bootjack said:
I was waiting for someone to pick up on the "later this week" !!! :-) So again, it seems since I have the Full Feature Set in Logos 7 and will have that in Logos 8 when that comes around the corner, I'm not really getting a whole lot for the 130.00 plus Canadian dollars. Would you concur? Also considering I have all the books & more that I need. Plus, I got a note from Faithlife saying if I felt I did not need the FLC, they would give me a Coupon code toward the purchase of a base package, feature set, or library. One does wonder, can this Coupon be used towards the purchase of Logos 8?
If you have "all the books & more that I need" (I resemble that comment!), I recommend that you simply take the Connect Essentials--No Library. We get what we had in Logos Now plus two Mobile Ed courses each year, an additional free book each month, plus Faithlife TV. I bought the Logos Full Feature Set on some sale a few months back just in case I wanted or needed to drop Logos Now, and I may do the same with Logos 8 just as a bit of an insurance policy should I need to drop FLC. If you liked Logos Now, for the same price you will really like Connect Essentials--No Library, in my opinion.
I presently am grandfathered into FLC (Essentials No Library). I never have nor do I need the Mobile Ed Courses / Faithlife V. But this is what's making me think I actually do not need FLC Essentials for the only thing I'm actually getting that remotely interests me is the new tools between the updates, e.g. between Logos 7 & 8 or between Logos 8 - Logos 9. What's your advice then?
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Bootjack said:
I presently am grandfathered into FLC (Essentials No Library). I never have nor do I need the Mobile Ed Courses / Faithlife V. But this is what's making me think I actually do not need FLC Essentials for the only thing I'm actually getting that remotely interests me is the new tools between the updates, e.g. between Logos 7 & 8 or between Logos 8 - Logos 9. What's your advice then?
That's hard to determine. I love access to the Mobile Ed Courses. While I'm not interested in getting certificates and such (I have enough formal education "credentials"), there are a lot of areas that I haven't studied or have forgotten and appreciate the lectures.
That said, I'm not really interested in the new tools between updates, which is why I had considered dropping Logos Now. Frankly, Logos 7 has more tools than I need for study.
So your question is a tough one. If LN was worth $99/year (US) to you, then Connect Essentials will be, too. You'll be getting no less than what you were getting, just more of what you may not want. [:)] If the new tools between updates are not real attractive, I'd let the subscription run out and buy the full feature sets with each major upgrade.
Of course, there really is so much we don't know. Faithlife intends to continue with the ownership model, but, financially, I'm not sure how long they can sustain that. Hopefully, they will do so for those of us who have plenty of books and FL can continue to grow their subscription side of the ledger with new customers.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Thanks for the explanation. I'm not sure how much the Coupon is worth towards Logos 8, so that means a call to Home Office. As you say, it can be a tough(er) call but it's up to me to see what I actually need and do not.
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Indeed, it is. I don't think there is a bad choice.
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Bootjack said:
I presently am grandfathered into FLC (Essentials No Library). I never have nor do I need the Mobile Ed Courses / Faithlife V. But this is what's making me think I actually do not need FLC Essentials for the only thing I'm actually getting that remotely interests me is the new tools between the updates, e.g. between Logos 7 & 8 or between Logos 8 - Logos 9. What's your advice then?
One thing to consider is I am not sure the features will update between versions, at least not with any regularity under Connect. Inbetween updates are not mentioned as a feature on the charts, and some of Bob's posts suggest this goal turned out to be a problem to maintain. I don't know if there has been any official word on this from Faithlife, but since this seems to be potentially your biggest deciding factor on a subscription, you might want to get a specific answer from Faithlife before you make your decision.
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