Forum Guidelines: No Theology Debates
Please stop the theology wars in Logos forums.
Just stop.
Stop posting about errors in other people's doctrine. Please stop posting your own doctrine. Please stop responding to correct misperceptions or misunderstandings or to counter attacks.
It takes two to have an argument. Please stop being the second party that turns an unkind post into a flame war.
Logos Bible Software is here to serve everyone who studies the Bible. That is intentionally "big tent" and we intentionally do not have a statement of faith or a doctrinal position.
The forums are here to support and discuss Logos Bible Software. There are plenty of forums for gladitorial theological combat; please take those discussions there.
I do not want to moderate the forums. I do not want to pay someone to moderate the forums. I am opposed to deleting or locking threads because it's pointless: the person who must make their voice heard will find other ways to do so. And the person who would respect the shut down doesn't need to be "deleted," only told. And I want to spend our resources on building tools, not hiring hall monitors for the forums.
Big News: Not everyone agrees on theology. Turns out, Catholics and protestants have been disagreeing for quite some time. The arguments have, at times, gotten quite heated, if you could believe that. Turns out, the protestants have their own problems, too. They've been splitting churches on stuff like form of baptism (forward immersion or backwards?), style of worship music (drums in church?), and, amazingly, personal disagreements that sometimes start at covered-dish suppers.
Logos is here for everyone who studies the Bible. Baby sprinklers, backwards immersers, forward triple-dunkers, bacon in the potato salad, lime Jello molds with celery, pastors with robes, churches with candles, vegetarians, and sunrise services on the beach. Heretics, cultists, and atheists included; we'd love for them to study the Bible, too.
To everyone who knows that others are wrong:
Wouldn't it be great if all the people who waste their time and energy on petty things put that time and energy into Bible study? Wouldn't it be great if people who've made horrible theological errors and are leading others astray spent their time in studying the Word? And what is more likely to set the wrong on the path of truth? My badgering and taunting, or time spent studying God's Word?
I'd sure hate to be wasting the time and energy of people of people who, because they've bought Logos Bible Software and are hanging out in its forums, have already shown that they're engaged in that study and pursuit of God's truth.
There are other places where you can seek out and engage people who aren't already studying. Maybe they want to be badgered. Or better yet, you could encourage them to do their own study, too.
One more time, bluntly.
Most of the theology flame wars seem to be protestant/Catholic. Just stop.
Protestants: The Catholics here are the ones engaged in personal Bible study. No matter how much you disagree with Catholic doctrine / church history / whatever, wouldn't these be your favorite Catholics? Please treat them kindly.
Catholics: Logos welcomes you, and we're working hard to provide more tools, resources, and support. We've hired a Catholic product manager and are working hard to serve you. But our customer base is still 95% protestant, and you know that there are some passionate and even out-of-control people in protestant churches, and that the protestants don't do a good job getting along on a single doctrinal statement. That's why the Catholic church is basically one large church, and the average protestant church splits after reaching 100-200 people. I know the attacks are painful and unkind, but please understand that you're "surrounded" by people who traditionally are more likely to split a church than seek unity. In the protestant mindset there isn't a single authority figure who will be respected, let alone able to quell debate and dissension.
Respectfully,
-- Bob
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I ran across one reference (Google) that claims Augustine went on in that writing to instruct us to replace anger with serenity.
This seems to pop up in a lot of the AA websites when they talk of the development of the Serenity Prayer.
Still no documented source of a direct quote to Augustine. The rock band Styxx did write a song titled "Fooling Yourself" that asks "Why must you be such an angry young man, when your future looks quite bright to me?" [:@] [:O]
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I ran across one reference (Google) that claims Augustine went on in that writing to instruct us to replace anger with serenity.
This seems to pop up in a lot of the AA websites when they talk of the development of the Serenity Prayer.
Still no documented source of a direct quote to Augustine. The rock band Styxx did write a song titled "Fooling Yourself" that asks "Why must you be such an angry young man, when your future looks quite bright to me?"
I may be "Fooling Yourself(Myself)", but, It doesn't really matter to me if it was with absolute certainty a St. Augustine quote. I am not in a "game show" trying to earn points!
Let me throw another St. Augustine quote you may be able to disprove as well. But, even if it is not from Augustine, I still LOVE this prolific statement.
"Love God, and do what ever you want!" Baam!
Let me throw another St. Augustine quote you may be able to disprove as well. But, even if it is not from Augustine, I still LOVE this prolific statement.
"Love God, and do what ever you want!"
The quote is generally given as "Love God and do as you please." I have generally seen this attributed to St Augustine, but I have also seen it attributed to Martin Luther. I don't have Luther's works to search, but I haven't found it in St. Augustine. Frankly, it sounds more like Luther.
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
Let me throw another St. Augustine quote you may be able to disprove as well. But, even if it is not from Augustine, I still LOVE this prolific statement.
"Love God, and do what ever you want!"
The quote is generally given as "Love God and do as you please." I have generally seen this attributed to St Augustine, but I have also seen it attributed to Martin Luther. I don't have Luther's works to search, but I haven't found it in St. Augustine. Frankly, it sounds more like Luther.
I have heard "do as you please" also. But, I have also heard this attributed to John Calvin... hmmm??
"Love God, and do what ever you want!" Baam!
In Christ we are freed from the Law -- for sure and forever. But our freedom is a freedom for love, not a freedom for license.
Our freedom is the freedom to choose -- as slaves in the first century did -- who will be our master. Will we give ourselves over to God and to a life that is consonant with God's love? Or will we choose something else, something less?
It's easy to hear Saint Augustine's remark as: "Love God and do what you will."
It's much more appropriate to Augustine's original meaning to put the emphasis on the first two words: "Love God and do what you will."
I'll take libertarian movies for $500, Alex
Baam! You hit the daily-double! [:P]
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"Love God, and do what ever you want!" Baam!In Christ we are freed from the Law -- for sure and forever. But our freedom is a freedom for love, not a freedom for license.
Our freedom is the freedom to choose -- as slaves in the first century did -- who will be our master. Will we give ourselves over to God and to a life that is consonant with God's love? Or will we choose something else, something less?
It's easy to hear Saint Augustine's remark as: "Love God and do what you will."
It's much more appropriate to Augustine's original meaning to put the emphasis on the first two words: "Love God and do what you will."I'll take libertarian movies for $500, Alex
Great humor, you made me laugh!
But for the win and 1000 points.... How about:
“Love God, then you’ll do what he wants.”
But for the win and 1000 points.... How about:
“Love God, then you’ll do what he wants.”
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When I saw "Bam!" I thought the quote came from Emeril...
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When I saw "Bam!" I thought the quote came from Emeril...
To those who say not responding to this thread is the wisest action, I say that I've just proved that I am not wise
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To those who say not responding to this thread is the wisest action, I say that I've just proved that I am not wise
I've been reading your posts for too long. It would take a lot more then one post to prove that to me.
To those who say not responding to this thread is the wisest action, I say that I've just proved that I am not wiseI've been reading your posts for too long. It would take a lot more then one post to prove that to me.
I have been reading MJ's posts for too long NOT to believe she knows what she is talking about. [;)]
(She can prove a lot in one post if you will read it several times.)
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I have been reading MJ's posts for too long NOT to believe she knows what she is talking about.
(She can prove a lot in one post if you will read it several times.)
I certainly hope that is the sense that my post is taken in. One post is not enough, regardless of one's opinion of it, to override all the wise posts she's written.
Hehehe...and I did not mean I have been reading your posts for too long and am now tired of them. I meant I've been reading them too long to think so swiftly you are no longer wise. Sometimes no matter how good things sound the first time we think them they still come out wrong :-)
Brown admits that he could not find the location of the quote in Augustine's works. It seems like some people do not realize the importance of crediting the correct sources of quotations. From an academic and scholarly perspective, it is a big deal.
Robert McAfee Brown admits that he could not find the location of the quote in Augustine's works. It seems like some people do not realize the importance of crediting the correct sources of quotations. From an academic and scholarly perspective, it is a big deal.