Logos Is Too Expensive
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Super Tramp said:
I just don't get why users can't afford $4 a book
Neither, do I
Super Tramp said:and why WS, QV, and BW can't match it.
I don't know anything about WS or QV, but as for BW their marketing strategy is very different from everyone else so this is like comparing apples with oranges. They sell only one basic product with the 'works' which includes actual manuscript images, new transcriptions and a lot more and a few add modules for those whom need it. It really all depends on what one wants, if it is a growing theological library (with exegetical resources) then no one can beat Logos! If, on the other hand one isn't interested in building a library, and doesn't care about having commentaries (which BW as a matter of principle doesn't offer), and they only want great exegetical tools then I think BW is far cheaper then anyone else out there.
(But keep in mind BW is not trying to match Logos in the sale of commentaries and christian fictional works. BW is strictly an original language resource suite)
I speak as one who owns (or rather have acquired license for) Logos4 OL (with a lot of add ons), the Libronix SESB 3, and BW9 (and finds high value in all three software platforms!). And, I can tell you that:
Logos4 is not too expensive for those who want the widest range of modern resources and exegetical tools. No, one else comes even half way close to offering what Logos does.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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This topic is getting rather interesting, but I think this is my favourite suggestion. The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages. (Such as 'The Message' translation ... that's about as lame and heretical as it gets)Kelvin Chiu said:Yes some packages are not really useful. Why don't just download the Logos4 base package and then order whatever you think is useful?
Kelvin
There are also a lot of resources that Logos doesn't offer with their software, or even on their website, so perhaps the best way to accomplish my particular goals would be purchasing the books I actually want to own rather than simply getting a bunch of books I don't really need.0 -
Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace to you, Joel!
God Bless you and your Loved ones richly!
Thank you for coming back to this thread to bid all a friendly and truly gentle and humble (in a Christian sense!) Fare Well!
*smile*
Much appreciated!Thanks for the kind words!
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Joel, that is a wise approach. I'm avoiding "Bible" versions that I don't want myself too, such as the NLT, 2011 NIV, Message, NKJV. My choises for base-packages were OLL (it has the least amount of such versions) and Catholic Foundations (there were authors that I don't want such as Raymond E. Brown and Joseph Pohle and a lot of John H. Newman -titles in the higher packages and Catholic Library Builder (238 vols.)). I'm supplementing with what I really want.
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I am way late to this conversation, but the idea that Logos is too expensive is just an excuse. It lives and dies around shopping. The real goal is doing careful Bible study for the defense and proclamation of the Gospel.
When I decided to plunge ahead to get Logos 4 Scholar, I really couldn't afford it and asked my pastor and the board to pray for me if this was really something I should do. They agreed with my decision. And someone heard that decision and sent me a check for the full amount.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Joel Reed said:
The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages ... the best way to accomplish my particular goals would be purchasing the books I actually want to own rather than simply getting a bunch of books I don't really need.
This is what I have done, and this is what I recommend people to do.
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I came so late to this topic, but I think that the words of Michael are the best to describe it.
It's not too expensive as most of the people wrote here...
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tom collinge said:Joel Reed said:
The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages ... the best way to accomplish my particular goals would be purchasing the books I actually want to own rather than simply getting a bunch of books I don't really need.
This is what I have done, and this is what I recommend people to do.
If I recall correctly, you have to purchase some base-level package to have access to all the features in the software itself. In addition to the completely free but feature-limited version of the software itself, perhaps Logos could offer a full-featured version of the software for a nominal price. This would allow people access to those extra features while having explicit control of every single resource they decide to purchase.
Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:
If I recall correctly, you have to purchase some base-level package to have access to all the features in the software itself. In addition to the completely free but feature-limited version of the software itself, perhaps Logos could offer a full-featured version of the software for a nominal price. This would allow people access to those extra features while having explicit control of every single resource they decide to purchase.
You might direct such people to http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade
Have joy in the Lord!
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Michael Ballai said:
When I decided to plunge ahead to get Logos 4 Scholar, I really couldn't afford it and asked my pastor and the board to pray for me if this was really something I should do. They agreed with my decision. And someone heard that decision and sent me a check for the full amount.
Praise the Lord!
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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If you look in your Logos resource 'Heretics of the Early Church' (rev version), that third one is listed as in the late 6th century CE explaining why he's not discussed by the early church fathers.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Sogol said:Joel Reed said:
The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages. (Such as 'The Message' translation ... that's about as lame and heretical as it gets)
Arius, Pelagius and Eugene Peterson?
Add to that the KJV translators.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Oh, No, You didn't !!!!!! [:^)]George Somsel said:Add to that the KJV translators.
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DMB said:
If you look in your Logos resource 'Heretics of the Early Church' (rev version), that third one is listed as in the late 6th century CE explaining why he's not discussed by the early church fathers.
Yes, I believe he was condemned at one of the ecumenical councils, but the Fathers "forgot" to record it because they were secretly fans of his other books on prayer and ministry.......
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Sogol said:Joel Reed said:
The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages. (Such as 'The Message' translation ... that's about as lame and heretical as it gets)
Arius, Pelagius and Eugene Peterson?
I understand that you may not like Peterson's translation, but unless you have a considerable amount of Greek and Hebrew in your resumè, I suggest that you have no qualification to speak on the subject. Not liking a translation is not a reason to condemn it as "heretical." Perhaps you are the heretic (The meaning of αἱρετικός is "one causing divisions, disputatious).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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.... and for the record, I love Eugene Peterson.
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Sogol said:
.... and for the record, I love Eugene Peterson.
My stepfather used to say, "Talk's cheap, but it takes money to buy whiskey." You certainly have a fine way show your "love."
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:Sogol said:Joel Reed said:
The more I think about, the more I realize that I don't actually want a lot of the resources Logos offers with their packages. (Such as 'The Message' translation ... that's about as lame and heretical as it gets)
Arius, Pelagius and Eugene Peterson?
I understand that you may not like Peterson's translation, but unless you have a considerable amount of Greek and Hebrew in your resumè, I suggest that you have no qualification to speak on the subject. Not liking a translation is not a reason to condemn it as "heretical." Perhaps you are the heretic (The meaning of αἱρετικός is "one causing divisions, disputatious).
Peace to you, George! Do you think perhaps you've made a mistake here in your condemnation??? As I read this thread, I do not think that "Sogol" deserves your disapprobations. I thought he was speaking with some humour!!??
Perhaps you read too quickly - and engaged your mind before letting out the clutch? *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace to you, George! Do you think perhaps you've made a mistake here in your condemnation??? As I read this thread, I do not think that "Sogol" deserves your disapprobations. I thought he was speaking with some humour!!??
Perhaps you read too quickly - and engaged your mind before letting out the clutch? *smile*
No, he deserves every word of it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Sorry if I've offended you, George. I do love Eugene Peterson an have even met him. That's why I found it humorous and ridiculous to compare him to an early heretic. I guess it wasn't clear that I was kidding. Again, my apologies.
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Oh great. There's an error in the second edition of the 'Heretics of the Early Church'. I wish Logos wouldn't release these without better care.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Sogol said:
Sorry if I've offended you, George. I do love Eugene Peterson an have even met him. That's why I found it humorous and ridiculous to compare him to an early heretic. I guess it wasn't clear that I was kidding. Again, my apologies.
The problem is that there are some who really feel that way. I noted nothing to indicate that you were joking so I assumed you were serious. I get tired of people who claim that the KJV is the only bible to use or the ASV or that The Message is … whatever, but negative since rarely do they have any qualifications to judge. The Message is a relatively decent, if somewhat offbeat, translation which therefore isn't for everyone. Users have a right to say "I prefer this translation" or "I prefer that translation", but, when they aren't qualified to judge the quality of the work, they shouldn't attempt to judge its correctness or lack thereof. Sorry if I misjudged you, but I had no clue. Let me know next time by a smilie or something—please.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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DMB said:
Oh great. There's an error in the second edition of the 'Heretics of the Early Church'. I wish Logos wouldn't release these without better care.
48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Mt 5.48 [ESV]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Peace, Sogol! You were "crystal clear" to me .... all along. You did communicate well! *smile*Sogol said:Sorry if I've offended you, George. I do love Eugene Peterson an have even met him. That's why I found it humorous and ridiculous to compare him to an early heretic. I guess it wasn't clear that I was kidding. Again, my apologies.
Even George can be in error?!!!?? I appreciated your humour.
BTW, I'm not sure what emotions George felt at your post; however "offended" is not likely to be one of his reactions!
St. Paul was speaking sarcastically when he talked about "suffering fools gladly" 2 Corinthians 11:19 KJV .... seeing how "truly wise we are"!!!!
Is that sarcasm like the FaithLife Study Bible states? I think FSB actually got it right, eh .... Great study Bible! *smile* Indeed! and free also!
Peace to you! ... and ... Incredible Joy in the Lord!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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George Somsel said:
Let me know next time by a smilie or something—please.
Yes, I've been known to mistakenly assume everyone understands my humor and thus leave out the smiley faces. It's too easy to miscommunicate online. This serves as another very good reminder for me. Thanks!
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Peace, Sogol! You were "crystal clear" to me .... all along. You did communicate well! *smile*
Thanks, Milford. Peace to you as well!
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George Somsel said:
I started out purchasing separate resources that interested me since they had a super sale on at the time. Eventually I moved to the Original Languages package. While the OL needs some supplementing in grammars and lexica (notably BDAG [don't open your bible study program without it] and HALOT [you could conceivably to with this since BDB is still quite useful]), it really isn't a bad starter package.
I did something similar. I started with the SESB in Libronix, and then moved on to the Logos4 Original Language base package. So, your advice is spot on in my opinion.
חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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George Somsel said:
I get tired of people who claim that the KJV is the only bible
It Isn't? Can't I use it to correct errors in the Greek & Hebrew? [:D] (Actually had a visitor from a local church tell me that one)
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Even George can be in error?!!!??
Now, that is a heretical statement [8-|]
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