Logos Is Too Expensive
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JRS said:
Good grief. How many times has this subject re: Logos Pricing come up and been answered?
Logos should take the best of Bob's forum comments on Pricing, edit them, and then post them permanently and locked at the top of the General Forum - not just assume/hope that newcomers will find their answers in the WIKI or do an exhaustive search before they post yet another round of the same question/responses.
Ditto, his various comments on Technical Practices, Customer Service, Theological Bias?, and How Hard It Is to Predict a Book Release.
Charlie Brown, I think you are on to something here. Logos should consider compiling the top 10 questions asked on this forum combined with the best answers from Logos staff (and others).
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Bruce Dunning said:JRS said:
Good grief. How many times has this subject re: Logos Pricing come up and been answered?
Logos should take the best of Bob's forum comments on Pricing, edit them, and then post them permanently and locked at the top of the General Forum - not just assume/hope that newcomers will find their answers in the WIKI or do an exhaustive search before they post yet another round of the same question/responses.
Ditto, his various comments on Technical Practices, Customer Service, Theological Bias?, and How Hard It Is to Predict a Book Release.
Charlie Brown, I think you are on to something here. Logos should consider compiling the top 10 questions asked on this forum combined with the best answers from Logos staff (and others).
I also think they should detect any use of the word "expensive" and send the poster directly to the posting of the comments. This is getting tiresome.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
This is getting tiresome.
It might be tiresome to those who hang out on the forums but it is often brand new to those who don't.
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[Y]Bruce Dunning said:It might be tiresome to those who hang out on the forums but it is often brand new to those who don't.
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Bruce (and tom) ... your point is not helpful. I like the high prices and here's why. If they reduced them my pastor could afford Logos. My brother in law in Africa. My other one in Texas. My nephew in Nicaraqua. Then there's the people at church. My other churches friends. The list just goes on and on.
How, pray tell, will I be able to glory in my Bible study, if just about everyone else can? What would be the point of owning Logos??
That's why i nod a big approval when the price of Cadallacs goes up.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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George Somsel said:
I also think they should detect any use of the word "expensive" and send the poster directly to the posting of the comments. This is getting tiresome.
Or, make it required reading along with the passing of a followup quiz before they can post. [;)]
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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just some random thinking.
If one is tired of reading post about Logos being expensive, etc., just ignore the thread.
Treat it like other threads/sub forums you don't pay attention to. (I never open anything about Proclaim, iPhone, Mac) usually don't open other sub forums either.
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David Salazar said:
just some random thinking.
If one is tired of reading post about Logos being expensive, etc., just ignore the thread.
Treat it like other threads/sub forums you don't pay attention to. (I never open anything about Proclaim, iPhone, Mac) usually don't open other sub forums either.
With all due respect, the issue is not my personal comfort. Rather, this question is one that comes up often and will continue to be asked whether it is a posted query, or simply in one's mind, or murmured in the church parking lot. Why not move Bob's cogent and authoritative answers to a position of 'first level' on the Forum rather than being buried in a WIKI article so that they are readily seen and accessible at a glance to any and all?
Maybe my suggestion is simply the left side of my brain (basketball size) once again overpowering the right side (lentil size)?
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Yes, put some common Q&A's up there in the stickies. That is what forum stickies are for! [:)]
However, a forum sticky that relates to Logos being expensive may be bad publicity, and be read as an "admission of the fact"! [6]
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JRS said:
With all due respect, the issue is not my personal comfort. Rather, this question is one that comes up often and will continue to be asked whether it is a posted query, or simply in one's mind, or murmured in the church parking lot. Why not move Bob's cogent and authoritative answers to a position of 'first level' on the Forum rather than being buried in a WIKI article so that they are readily seen and accessible at a glance to any and all?
Maybe my suggestion is simply the left side of my brain (basketball size) once again overpowering the right side (lentil size)?
I can agree to have a FAQ, sticky thread (whatever it's called), I think that will be beneficial.
Yet, still, there will be individuals that don't just want official answers but discussion (whatever the motives are). Some are new users, other who are interested in upgrading, etc... there should be a place for discussion. So whether that happens on the no-removable thread or just new ones (it is annoying to have a thread that is +10 pages long, since discussion moves in so many different directions.
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Denise said:
Bruce (and tom) ... your point is not helpful. I like the high prices and here's why. If they reduced them my pastor could afford Logos. My brother in law in Africa. My other one in Texas. My nephew in Nicaraqua. Then there's the people at church. My other churches friends. The list just goes on and on.
Bob has shared the profit margins of Logos on the forums in the past. Perhaps they have changed but it doesn't look like there is much of a margin at all for a policy change that would result in significantly lowering the costs of Logos all around. I guess they could simply take a huge risk hoping that the volume would increase but if that didn't happen it could put the company (and all current Logos customers) at great risk. Maybe I'm missing something which I readily admit could be the case.
Perhaps you could share how you think it could be done if you think you know a way.
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Bruce ... as I understand the Logos business model, they're building Cadillacs for the luxury segment of the market. A profit margin is relative to how much luxury vs how many paying luxury-ists. But I don't think they've ever embraced a goal for affordability or to maintain the example, 'Chevies'.
And I don't remember any forum members suggesting a hold on bells and whistles, to enhance affordability. Indeed just the opposite.
That's why high prices are so good ... Logos can continue to build those great Cadillac features we all love.
And so this is also why tiresome threads like this don't belong on the Logos forum where business is the key.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Bruce ... as I understand the Logos business model, they're building Cadillacs for the luxury segment of the market. A profit margin is relative to how much luxury vs how many paying luxury-ists. But I don't think they've ever embraced a goal for affordability or to maintain the example, 'Chevies'.
Or Yugos?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Denise said:
Bruce ... as I understand the Logos business model, they're building Cadillacs for the luxury segment of the market. A profit margin is relative to how much luxury vs how many paying luxury-ists. But I don't think they've ever embraced a goal for affordability or to maintain the example, 'Chevies'.
And I don't remember any forum members suggesting a hold on bells and whistles, to enhance affordability. Indeed just the opposite.
That's why high prices are so good ... Logos can continue to build those great Cadillac features we all love.
And so this is also why tiresome threads like this don't belong on the Logos forum where business is the key.
So go to the next step now and help me understand how this might work. How do you build a Chevy business model for Logos? Less features? Focus primarily on inexpensive popular resources to appeal to the larger Christian market? Other ideas?
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Bruce Dunning said:Denise said:
Bruce ... as I understand the Logos business model, they're building Cadillacs for the luxury segment of the market. A profit margin is relative to how much luxury vs how many paying luxury-ists. But I don't think they've ever embraced a goal for affordability or to maintain the example, 'Chevies'.
And I don't remember any forum members suggesting a hold on bells and whistles, to enhance affordability. Indeed just the opposite.
That's why high prices are so good ... Logos can continue to build those great Cadillac features we all love.
And so this is also why tiresome threads like this don't belong on the Logos forum where business is the key.
So go to the next step now and help me understand how this might work. How do you build a Chevy business model for Logos? Less features? Focus primarily on inexpensive popular resources to appeal to the larger Christian market? Other ideas?
Public domain works with little tagging.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Denise said:
And I don't remember any forum members suggesting a hold on bells and whistles, to enhance affordability. Indeed just the opposite.
That's why high prices are so good ... Logos can continue to build those great Cadillac features we all love.
And so this is also why tiresome threads like this don't belong on the Logos forum where business is the key.
They don't ask the other software to be like Logos. They just want the best for less. If they are not willing to pay for it, they don't deserve the best. I do not believe the average person in the USA can not afford Logos. I believe they are not willing to sacrifice for it. I can afford it and I have a lower income than the average American. I live on a small, fixed income and feed a household of 9. I sacrificed a lot to get what Logos I have. ( Matt 13:45-46 )
On the other hand, persons living in third world countries spend a much greater percent of their income to have Logos. They are to be commended for their sacrifice.
A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Most of the expense of Logos is the resources. Books have become more expensive. Blaming Logos for that is just plain stupid.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Search-ability, linking, and all the goodies Logos has that others are missing is what you pay for. Also, e-books, public domain works, and freebies of all kind are cheap, but you get what you pay for.
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Kent said:
Search-ability, linking, and all the goodies Logos has that others are missing is what you pay for. Also, e-books, public domain works, and freebies of all kind are cheap, but you get what you pay for.
And don't forget that Logos is diligent in correcting errors and adding new tagging/capabilities. My library often gets updates and they are "free".
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Super Tramp said:
A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.
I'm with you on that. If anyone seriously wants to get into Bible study money is no object -- there's free software, and there are libraries stacked with commentaries and surveys.
Reading the comments on these types of threads I get the impression that some people think Logos is preventing believers and seekers from accessing the Word because of its business model. That's rubbish. What prevents people getting into Bible study is habit.
I suggest, before demanding that Logos be cheaper, people check their income and expenditures: what are they spending their money on? What could they sacrifice? It makes the acquisition all the more valuable when something has been given up in its stead.
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I find this whole thread absolutely bizarre. I'm kinda amazed that Logos has patience with this sort of thing.
“To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton
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Peace, Good Brother! *smile* Yes! ...absolutely bizarre... I'm kinda amazed also .... that our Beautiful God -- so filled with Love and Compassion(!!!) -- also has an incredible sense of humour ...
Thanks for your post, and I find your Chesterton quote very interesting -- and helpful(!) -- and right on the mark, eh???
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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This is the best reason to have a subscription model. But I am guessing that the subset of people who complain about high prices and at the same time, complain about things being 'in the cloud', are often one and the same.
There is often a way (as a customer) to get most of what you want (price, ease of access) etc. But there is never a way to get everything that you want (look at Google vs Amazon vs Apple).
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Geo Philips said:
But there is never a way to get everything that you want (look at Google vs Amazon vs Apple).
Geo I put it another way. You do not get what you want, when you want, the way you want.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Bruce ... I was actually doing a bad play a la the Cobert Report. I'm in the unbelievably small minority that is impressed with early Christians not having a Bible, much less an expensive software package. Few people ever wonder exactly how early followers could 'search the scriptures'. Scholars suspect even the apostolic fathers had to depend on a 'quotable quotes' cheat-sheet for their homelies.
But of course I get so mixed up, when I'm 'in the cloud'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Logos is one of the most valuable assets I own, worth every penny I have spent. They are a quality company, offering a great service, and an awesome product. I pray they don't change. Also hope they make a substantial profit to stay in business for all my lifetime and my children's lifetime. What greater product could we possibly dream of that enables us to continue on our journey out of Egypt to the promised land! Yes they could become a big discounter like walmart or kmart and give up quality for quantity and get their products from china and eventually offer nothing but "junk" and treat their customers like a herd of stupid cattle. Please don't do it Logos. Your product is worth every penny. Anyone who really wants it can find a way to afford it.
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Jim Wait said:
Anyone who really wants it can find a way to afford it.
Logos offers free books, discounts, regular sales and some sort of auction, can't remember the proper name.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Jim Wait said:
Yes they could become a big discounter like walmart or kmart and give up quality for quantity and get their products from china and eventually offer nothing but "junk" and treat their customers like a herd of stupid cattle.
[8-|] good analogy [;)]
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papa_gowgow said:Super Tramp said:
A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.
I'm with you on that. If anyone seriously wants to get into Bible study money is no object -- there's free software, and there are libraries stacked with commentaries and surveys.
Reading the comments on these types of threads I get the impression that some people think Logos is preventing believers and seekers from accessing the Word because of its business model. That's rubbish. What prevents people getting into Bible study is habit.
I suggest, before demanding that Logos be cheaper, people check their income and expenditures: what are they spending their money on? What could they sacrifice? It makes the acquisition all the more valuable when something has been given up in its stead.
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